<HTML>In a message dated 7/26/2002 9:13:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cmpiano@attbi.com writes:                Hi Jeannie Carl           I'm late on this thread but I'd like to go on record as saying that I have seen only one plate ever sprayed with a can that looked first class. Most have a  green or bronzish/brown look that doesn't even vaguely resemble the original color. Perhaps there are better spray can finishes I'm not aware of but I frequently refinish plates that have had this treatment  and find that often the spray canned on finish has turned brittle as well as the under coat.  This turns into a more complicated job as it isn't prudent to spray a new finish over an already brittle one. It must be stripped down . Stripping it is less problematic than sand blasting as the black original under coat is usually salvageable          I've found  a blend of bronzing powders from an outfit back east Bob Corey & associates 516-485-5544 that allows for a variety of bronzing colors. No.s 99 96 are part of my mix plus a starr product which adds the yellow to the color. The one we blend is close to many original colors that contain a quite yellow base. Our mixed color is about the color of polished brass. Two tablespoons of the mixed powders toa  small spray gun cup of acrylic gloss lacquer. Its easy to spray (hey I can do it) it covers well. Two coats to cover and two coats of gloss over that gives a plate finish way better than most factories put out. This is a resielint chip resistent finish that stays pliable which avoids the stringer/reassembly damage and looks stunning with a new finish. This bronze mix can be mixed in nitro cellulose as well but it's more fragile. This process can be done in a four hours or less not including stripping. Flame suit on. >>>>>>>>.Dale Erwin--->>>>>>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> Jeannie:  I'd like to add that I haven't used any undercoat or primer nor any sealer.  Just the Aervoe rust proof paint by itself.  Just put on one coat to see the results, then fill and sand.  One more light followed by a medium coat in 30 minutes is all I do.  I haven't noticed any tarnishing or any problem.  However time may tell.  Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@attbi.com> To: "Jeannie Grassi" <jgrassi@silverlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold Paint Of course Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG Santa Clara, California cmpiano@attbi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannie Grassi" <jgrassi@silverlink.net> To: <cmpiano@attbi.com> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:48 PM Subject: RE: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold Paint > Hi Carl, > May I use this for TT&T in the Journal? > Thanks, > Jeannie > > Jeannie Grassi, RPT > Associate Editor, Piano Technicians Journal > mailto:jgrassi@silverlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Carl Meyer > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:51 PM > To: pianotech@ptg.org > Subject: Re: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold Paint > > > Aervoe-Pacific Co.  in Gardnerville NE. has a great gold rust proof > paint No 311.  I've used it for several years since I bought a case of > quarts and a case of aerosols.  It has now clumped a bit so I need to > mix like mad and strain through panty hose, but I like it.  When I first > got it I sprayed a rusty piece of steel and hung it on the fence.  A > year later it was still fine. > > My price list is two years old, but it was then $2.75 for a 16 oz can. > I do think they have a min order of at least $50. I've also bought > several cases of their mold release (teflon spray).  934 tfe dry film > lube @ $4.94 per 16 oz.  Works great on knuckles, etc.  > > Web site www.aervoe.com  They have a distribution site in Ill. I think. > > Did I say I like the stuff?  It has a slightly green tinge but looks > quite nice.  A new product at slightly higher cost is their 5003 gold > royal coat.  I haven't used it yet.  I still have enough of the other > old stuff for now.  FWIW. > > Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG > Santa Clara, California > cmpiano@attbi.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Holley" <gholley@hi-techhousing.com> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:18 AM > Subject: Shaft from Schaff on Piano Gold Paint > > > > List.  I placed an order with Schaff for piano gold spray paint on > > Tuesday and not receiving the order I called just now and they now > > say, "Oh, we don't carry that any more, our supplier doesn't have > > it".  And then they asked if I hadn't received a call from some one > > telling me of the shortage.  NO, no call, no paint.  Now, where have > > you purchased your piano gold paint for plates?.  Lowes, Sherwin > > Williams, etc ?.  Any suggestions?  Thanks and regards, Gordon > > Holley, Goshen, Indiana. > > > > > </BLOCKQUOTE> </HTML>