<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Bill and Joe, I think you two are talking about apples and oranges.  Bill said he stripmuted and tuned the center strings first then pulled in the others.  This requires a one-third overset of the measured flatness.  Joe is talking about tuning all strings sequentially, which requires a one-fourth overset.  I started out with the SOT where you have to figure all this out in your head each time. If I misunderstood your positions, please forgive. :-) Warren Billbrpt@AOL.COM wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>In a message dated 11/6/01 1:07:44 PM Central Standard Time, joegarrett@earthlink.net (Joseph Garrett) writes:     <blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bill Bremmer & List, I've been following this "thread". Yes, Bill, if you use the pitch raising program, as I outlined in the PTJ, Dec.1999, it is very possible to get "Dead on", with just two passes on a 100cent pitch raise. If it doesn't happen, then I would be looking very carefully at the overall structure of the "victim piano". If the piano is solid, there should be no problem of attaining pitch in two passes. As for the "Stretch" factors, that others are advocating, YIKES! They must like replacing strings. Some of those "over-shoots" are far in excess of the normal sting breakage tolerances. My advice is: DON'T DO THAT! Regards, Joe Garrett, RPT, (Oregon)</blockquote> OK, Joe, I'm still skeptical and unfortunately I no longer have that issue handy but I do have one question:  How long would a 100% pitch raise take using your procedure?  Could you perhaps outline (briefly describe) that procedure here? Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin</blockquote> -- Warren Fisher RPT fish@Communique.net 1422 Briarwood Dr. Slidell, LA 70458-3102  </html>