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<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Hello
Don Mannino</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Well
and here goes another misinformed opinion !</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>But
coming from one of the most active support and beta-tester from the =
product., so
I presume it is a bit biased (?) (as mine with my wonderful machine
!).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>A
single partial display will stay a single partial display, and I doubt =
that the
computer hardware will be developed soon to produce real time multi =
frequencies
analysis.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>RCT
should be able in the future to compute a super tuning based on sampling =
of more
notes, but it may take some time to realize the computation, due to the =
hardware
of the computer's sound cards..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002></SPAN><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>The
Verituner have always computed every note based on octaves types for =
these
notes, weighting as a percentage the amount of stretch IN BEATS that it =
gives
all together to the octaves types (and now to the twelve's relationship
too)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>This,
in its standard modes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff> With the custom mode , you can, as =
Ron does, use
the feature of the tuner and allow no particular beat in the =
octaves, but
ask the VT to compute the stretch based on weight given to different =
types of
octaves and other intervals at the same time, with as =
many notes
everywhere you want</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002>For example 60% for 4:2 relation type =
and at the
same time 40 % 6:3 . (then you could ask also to have 0.2 beats second =
for one
kind too if you like it)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2> I</FONT></SPAN>This must be a new feature that I am not =
familiar
with in Verituner. <SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002>I did
not knew you where familiar with the Verituner at =
all</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002> </SPAN>Does =
this mean
that you can tell Verituner, for example, that you want the temperament =
octave a
little narrower than a 4:2, and you want the next 2 octaves above =
the
temperament to be at 4:2, and the top octave at a wide 4:1 double =
octave, the
bass at a wide 6:3 and the lowest octave at a wide 10:5? This is =
what you
can do with RCT's custom EQ function - you adjust the octave stretch =
type at
each octave, and you can tweak Dean's settings to suit your tuning =
style.
The program then smooths the differences between your settings so that =
there is
a smooth progression from section to section. Does Verituner now =
allow
this type of flexibility? If so, that is a great =
improvement.<BR><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2> Great
improvement ! that had always been there !</FONT></SPAN><BR>RCT =
does not
simply tune set octave types, as some seem to be suggesting - it creates =
a
smooth curve, balancing it from section to section to fit in with =
whatever
octave type you want. So if you want a 12:6 octave type in the =
first
octave you set that, and then you can choose slightly narrow or wide =
very easily
with software 'sliders' in custom EQ. It's really very fast and easy, =
and is
done after sampling the piano so that you actually fit the individual =
piano
scale.<BR></FONT><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Yes but it is done arbitrarily, you force the =
piano to
sound in tune with the curve, the VT allows you to tune the piano =
harmoniously,
based on every note, that is a difference in concept,
sorry. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002> </SPAN><BR>Another
benefit of this adjustability is that if, while tuning the piano, you =
find that
your usual octave type doesn't fit this piano well (like maybe if that =
slightly
wide 6:3 needs to be wider), you simply pop back to the custom EQ screen =
and
change it again. Takes a few seconds.<SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>I don't worry more with octave types as the tone of the tunings =
are
pleasing enough, I check the taste of other intervals, and hardly find =
even
to move the stretch</FONT> <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>feature.</FONT></SPAN><BR></FONT><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002> </SPAN><BR>RCT also remembers your =
settings, so
that on the next piano your octave tweaking will still be applied to the =
new
measurement. It is good to look at it again and make sure the =
octave
tweaks still make sense after measuring a new piano, but only slight =
changes are
needed from one piano to the next.<BR><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Absolutely unnecessary with
VT IMHO</FONT></SPAN><BR>By the way, I think that calling RCT a =
"single
partial" device is a little misleading. The software listens =
to all
partials together, and balances the coincident partials into a tuning, =
just like
the ear does. <SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002>Untrue, sorry, the software listen to =
the
available partials of 6 A's or if it have been changed, that is a =
big
improvement (;>) but all other ETD are single partial display, =
hopefully, my
ear is a multi partial device.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002> </SPAN> =
Besides the
number of samples used, the difference between RCT and Verituner seems =
to be (as
Ron's wrote) that Verituner adjusts to partial strengths, while RCT give =
preference to the octave type that the tuner has chosen. Both =
approaches
will give good but slightly different results - which results are =
"better"
becomes a subjective argument that each tuner needs to answer for =
him/her
self.<SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN =
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<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Of course the difference lies more in the hardware and in the =
global
approach, life is not so easy. But I am sure that Dean, now he is =
finished with
the Pocket pc platform, will have his product evolved in more =
partial
checking</FONT> <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>on more =
notes, and
then you will obtain a more adjusted tuning.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002></SPAN><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>There was an idea to allow for the break notes to be part of =
the
computation in times, this feature may not be too difficult to implement =
I
guess.</FONT> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002></SPAN><SPAN
class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002>With
all due respect.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=462132320-10102002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Isaac OLEG</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002> </SPAN><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN =
class=462132320-10102002> </SPAN><BR>Don Mannino
RPT<BR></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>