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<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Terry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>When
you Pitch raise a piano , the bridge tend to roll, and you lack front
bearing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I
have good tonal results having the pitch frankly sharp, (445 =
or such)
then coming from above after a few days.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>In
that case, the lowering tend to allow the bridge to go back in a better
configuration.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Second, the back scale may take some time to even, some pianos =
if bring
at 440 - from 438 for instance, will well return to 439 on some notes =
after a
few days.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>If we
plan to bring the piano to pitch it may be done from above, you can then =
bang it
there and believe it will stay put.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>But another thought is I don't do that the same in =
automn or in
spring, most pianos have a variable strech tuning during the year, it =
may be
useful to tune in regard of the season, if we have an idea of how it =
will turn
afterthat.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Automn
: tight tuning (will open in Winter), in March, more open, =
mostly around
the break, to avoid the exagered pitch raise around the break that occur =
in
humid season I also leave the pitch drift at the end of the school's
year.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>As on
an enough tuned piano the tuning pins and strings "know" where to go, I =
don't
have to think about it too much in fact -it is a case where the use of =
the EDT
may bother you because forcing you in a tuning that is not exactly =
corresponding
with the seasonal state of the piano. Most aural tuner do that =
instinctively,
feeling the piano getting in its place (we are talking 2/years tuning at =
last
there)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Best
Regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=794410911-11102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Isaac
OLEG "unplugged"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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class=794410911-11102003><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Isaac OLEG<BR><BR>Entretien et réparation de
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur
SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06 =
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06 60 42 58 77 </FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la =
part
de</B> Farrell<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> vendredi 10 octobre 2003
21:26<BR><B>À :</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Pitch =
Raise,
was: Standard Pitch<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080>Comments interspersed =
below:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lawsonic@bdmail.co.za =
href="mailto:lawsonic@bdmail.co.za">Brian
Lawson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 10, =
2003 2:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raise, =
was: Standard
Pitch</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi, let me say it again, as sometimes I think =
I'm writing
posts to myself on pianotech.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080>No, I read it, but I don't =
understand
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>A pitch raise, my definition:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The purpose of a pitch raise is have all strings =
slightly
or more sharp than "standard pitch"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080>The object of my pitch =
raises are to
have all strings at target pitch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>A pitch raised piano is an out of tune piano, =
but sharp to
" standard pitch"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080>Why would you want the piano =
sharp? If
the client wants their piano at A440, I would recommend that one =
tune it to
A440, not something sharper.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>unisons are not in tune, 4ths, 5ths octaves are =
close or
wildly out of tune</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>and that only takes about 15 - 20 =
mins!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Then, you do your first rough tune to get it =
sounding
close. It is because it is easier to tune from sharp to correct =
pitch than
to pull up from flat</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>shall I go on?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080>Sure. But it seems to me =
easiest to tune
a piano that is already at target pitch than one that is either =
sharp or
flat.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Brian</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT =
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk
href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December =
10, 2003
7:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raise, =
was:
Standard Pitch</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think there can be such a =
beast as a
15 minute pitch raiser. This is an idle boast. I'm with you in =
setting
this up as a test! I use my patent "quadrant" approach (see post =
"Raising
Don Rose to Standard Pitch" ) I hope Don will forgive my blatant =
use of
his name to identify a partic. posting!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Micxgael G
(UK)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>