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<DIV align=left><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT face="MS=
Sans Serif"></FONT></SPAN>Ric:</DIV>
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<DIV align=left>Double reed players do indeed have the smallest=
window of usable pitch. The piano in the double reed=
studio here at SMU is tuned to 442 at the teachers'=
request. Both the oboe/english horn teacher and the=
bassoon teacher are Dallas Symphony players and since DSO=
tunes to 442 they need their piano tuned there. If a=
bassoon player needs to tune to 440 they will need a different=
bocal made for 440. The pros generally will have those,=
but many others don't have multiple bocals.</DIV>
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<DIV align=left>Oh yes, that pitch stability is the reason that=
the orchestra tunes to the oboe player.</DIV>
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<DIV align=left>dave</DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT=
face="MS Sans Serif">
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align=left><BR>__________________________________________</DIV>
<DIV align=left>David M. Porritt, RPT</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Meadows School of the Arts</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Southern Methodist University</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Dallas, TX 75275</DIV>
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href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu">dporritt@mail.smu.edu</A></D=
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<DIV align=left><BR>----- Original message=
----------------------------------------><BR>From: Richard=
Moody <<A=
href="mailto:remoody@midstatesd.net">remoody@midstatesd.net</A>&=
gt;<BR>To: 'Pianotech' <<A=
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR>Rec=
eived: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 03:54:05 -0500<BR>Subject: RE: Tuning=
with a fork......Sanderson...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=left><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT face="MS=
Sans Serif"><BR>Joe,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004> <FONT=
face="MS Sans Serif">If you produce a musician (oboist you=
say) who says their instruments get weird outside of 2=
cents deviation I will take a fresh look (with them)=
at my premise that you completely disagree with. I know a=
few musicians but have never asked them if 2 cents or=
two cycles per second is a big deal and wonder if they=
know the difference. We ultimately work for the=
musicians. If they really want to play to a piano no more=
than one half a cycle per second off, we should hear=
from them and offer our services=
accordingly. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004> <FONT=
face="MS Sans Serif">It is worth $100 for me to see if an oboist=
can indeed tune aurally within 2 cents before concert and I=
would ask to see how far off he or she is off=
immediately after performance. You gotta pay=
scale after all..... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT face="MS Sans=
Serif"> If we want to find out how much pitch=
floats during performance we (piano tuners) have the machines to=
find out. I am betting it is much more than we=
think. And the piano floats the most.(Is my guess) I=
am willing to put time into settling this issue once and for=
all. But the bottom line is who will fuss if the=
piano is 438.5 for performance nite? Sometimes it=
happens. Life goes on----the music sounds=
good...whether at 438 or 442 and no matter what the oboist says.=
:) How much do your pianos for performance float?=
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<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT face="MS Sans=
Serif"> ---ric </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Serif"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P>"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely."=
</P>
<P>Auguste Rodin (1840-1917); French sculptor.=
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align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original=
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org=
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joe=
Garrett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:45=
AM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tuning with a=
fork......Sanderson...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard Moody said: "<FONT=
face="Times New Roman" size=3>So machine tuners adjust the=
machine, and aural<BR>tuners go ahead for the touch up. =
For some machine tuners 4 cents may<BR>look like a lot. =
But for musicians it is no problem"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard, Try telling that to an=
oboist!!!! Four (4) cents off is either 439 or 441. That's too=
far out for some instruments to play with. There are a lot of=
instruments that get weird, outside of 2 cents deviation, their=
natural harmonies/acoustics/timbre is messed with. I completely=
disagree on you premise!=
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