<HTML>In a message dated 12/25/02 12:55:34 AM Central Standard Time, pianotoo@imap2.asu.edu writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">For those who are new to the pianotech list, I had thought that with the demonstrations of the "Tuneoffs" a few years ago we would not need to rehash this argument about the superiority of Aural vs ETD tuning. There is not a dime's worth of difference with those skilled in either method. And the beginning ETD user has a definiteadvantage over the beginning aural tuner. While it may be true in some instances that some ETD users never really become good tuners, the same can definitely be said about some aural tuners. Jim Coleman, Sr. </BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks for setting the record straight, Jim, we need to hear it from the person who proved it, from time to time.  Still, people do have their preferences.  I am fortunate to have a young apprentice who wants to learn to tune aurally to a state of excellence before he ever tries an ETD and I, for one, am glad to teach him.  He was visiting this morning and we tried the aural scheme I had concocted for him and wrote it all down. He is interested in learning a Thomas Young type temperament but has problems with the way it and most other HT's are presented.  I think there should be a way to tune most any desirable HT from an A Fork and have it fall within the F3-F4 octave.  I came up with something for him a while back and have been meaning to write it down.  I did so this morning.  I'll be interested to see the analyses of those who know how to do them, to see how close I have come to the Thomas Young or at least a representative 18th Century style Well Tempered Tuning. See my subsequent post. Also, I tuned a brand new Shigeru Kawai piano the other day and created a new custom ETD program for it in the EBVT with Tempered Octaves.  In this instance in particular, I was able to get amazing sweetness and clarity all throughout the F4-F6 range, the so-called, "Killer Octave" territory.  My numbers may look somewhat irrational but it is about the sweetest, cleanest, most in tune sounding program I have created to date.  The input from recent Pianotech participants and Owen Jorgensen have helped.  I'll publish the program on the list as soon as I can get it copied. I believe in both methods or even better yet, in the ETD assisting, confirming and storing the results of very carefully crafted aural tuning.  The combination can't be beat. Merry Christmas! Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin <A HREF="http://www.billbremmer.com/">Click here: -=w w w . b i l l b r e m m e r . c o m =-</A></HTML>