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John and List,<br>
<br>
Surely Michael means:<br>
Tune the 16th partial of A0 to A-445;<br>
Tune the 8th partial of A1 to A-445; etc<br>
Tune the 4th partial of C#5 to the 5th partial of A-445<br>
etc, then<br>
Tune the 8th partial of G4 to the 7th partial of A-444<br>
etc. <br>
<br>
In other words, keep each string at approximately the correct pitch,
but, for 1st pass,<br>
overpull by 20 cents those notes tuned to A-445; i.e. all A's,
C#'s, and F's<br>
overpull by 16 cents those notes tuned to A-444; i.e. all G's,
D#'s and B's<br>
overpull by 12 cents those notes tune to A-443; i.e. all G#'s,
C's and E's<br>
overpull by 8 cents those notes tuned to A-442; i.e. all F#'s,
A#'s and D's. <br>
<br>
When you finish the first pass, those notes tuned 20 cents sharp will
have fallen to being on-pitch. Since all the notes are now about right,
fine tune it normally on the second pass.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Doug Knabe<br>
Dallas<br>
Michael Gamble wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello John and List</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">You asked:</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><font face="Arial"> <font color="red"><span
style="color: red;">Do you have any idea how much tension would be on
A-0 when tuned to A-445??? </span></font></font><font color="red"
face="Wingdings"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Wingdings;">J</span></font><font
color="red" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><font color="red" face="Wingdings"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;">Non! But it
can't be much above design tension can it!</span></font></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><font color="red" face="Wingdings"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;">Go for it -
it works every time. The real "secret" is keeping the tension
equal right across the frame.</span></font></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><font color="red" face="Wingdings"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;">Talking about
equal - anyone read "An Unequal Music" by Vikram Seth?</span></font></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><font color="red" face="Wingdings"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;">Regards</span></font></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><font color="red" face="Wingdings"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;">Michael
G.(UK) </span></font></font></div>
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<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">-----
Original Message ----- </div>
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<a title="JLFortiner@usadig.com" href="mailto:JLFortiner@usadig.com">John
Fortiner</a> </div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b>
<a title="michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk"
href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">'Michael Gamble'</a> ; <a
title="tomtuner@comcast.net" href="mailto:tomtuner@comcast.net">'tom
driscoll'</a> ; <a title="pianotech@ptg.org"
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:05 AM</div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b>
RE: Pitch Raise</div>
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style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Michael Gamble
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May
11, 2005 3:08 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> tom driscoll; <a
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Pitch
Raise</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Hello Tom and List</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I suppose it's not at all
helpful to state the obvious - "it's in Archives"! No? Well then this
is the way to do it:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Have a cheapo ETD - you
know the things - get it from a guitar shop. They usually have A=439 to
A=445 or so. With that tune all the A's to the A=445 - all 8 of them. <font
color="red"><span style="color: red;">Do you have any idea how much
tension would be on A-0 when tuned to A-445??? </span></font></span></font><font
color="red" face="Wingdings" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Wingdings;">J</span></font><font
color="red" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: red; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Next tune the
intermediate M3's i.e. all the C# and the F's. Now quarter of the piano
is done. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Next recalibrate the ETD
to A=444. Now tune all the G's to 444 pitch and follow that with their
intermediate M3's - i.e. all the D#'s and all the B's. Now you're
half-way!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Next recalibrate the ETD
to A=443. Tune all the G#'s and then the intermediate M3's.
(three-quarters of the way!)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Last recalibrate the ETD
to A=442. Tune all the F#'s and then the intermediate M3's</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">And you're done!<font
color="red"><span style="color: red;"> Sounds like a neat system that
I’m going to have to try.</span></font></span></font><font color="red"><span
style="color: red;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Now fine tune.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Note this... I <em><i><font
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;">ALWAYS</span></font></i></em><strong><b><i><font
face="Arial"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></i></b></strong>DETUNE
EACH STRING SLIGHTLY BEFORE PUTTING UP THE TENSION. This breaks the
bonding at the pressure bar or capo. Even use a touch of de-oxidising
fluid at those points before you start.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Regards from a dark <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Sussex</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Village</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Michael G.(<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">----- Original Message
----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
title="tomtuner@comcast.net" href="mailto:tomtuner@comcast.net">tom
driscoll</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">To:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Sent:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Wednesday, May 11, 2005
5:34 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re: Pitch Raise<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
title="michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk"
href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">To:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Sent:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Wednesday, May 11, 2005
9:54 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Pitch Raise<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Hello List</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">. <SNIP>So I used
my "Quadrant System" to bring it up to A=440 and fine tune it in two
hours. <SNIP></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Michael G.(<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Michael,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Could you elaborate
on the Quadrant system ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Tom Driscoll RPTired
today.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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