<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: Courier New"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Warren and List</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> - here's another odd problem to = do with dampers and hammers not working... unscrew the damper (this <EM>is</EM> = an upright?) and look at the damper tail felt. I have found the damper = spoon <EM>so</EM> rough that it has gauged out a pit in the tail felt and = stopped the lever from returning! A quickie fix is to remove that felt and turn it end-for-end then reglue it. That's for in the field work where you = haven't got felt to hand of the right thickness/density whatever.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G.(UK)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=fishwar@bellsouth.net = href="mailto:fishwar@bellsouth.net">Warren Fisher</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 22, 2005 = 3:02 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: butt springs</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Richard,</DIV> <DIV>I wouldn't advise doing it that way.  I don't think the rail = screws are removable inside the piano. There is too little clearance between = the screw head and the hammer rail.  You may get them out, but I = doubt you could get them back in.  Sometimes you have to remove the hammer = rail to get enough clearance.  Also you have a good possibility of = messing up the damper adjustment getting the rail out.  You really don't want to = do that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Springs are not the only thing that will cause = a key not to work.  You will never know what is causing the problem unless you = remove the action and inspect everything.  I have replaced a spring and = then found the flanges seized up with moisture. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You should charge a substantial fee, at least one hour, just for = removal and replacement of the drop action.  This charge should not = include any work and should be collected whether you work on the action or = not.  Don't sell yourself short.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Take the action to the shop and put it in a cradle so that all = the parts are accessable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Warren Fisher- Navy Retired - Slidell, Louisiana </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=richard.ucci@att.net = href="mailto:richard.ucci@att.net"></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 7/22/2005 7:36:12 AM = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: butt = springs</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV></DIV>But I can pull the rail and install springs right?<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff = 2px solid">-------------- Original message from Andrew and Rebeca Anderson <anrebe@sbcglobal.net>: -------------- <BR><BR>This is the = Whitney Spinet right?  I've worked on one of those.  Do not plan = on adding anything to the spring rail.  Tolerances are very = close there.  They have felt on it because the hammer shanks will = check against it on a firm blow.<BR><BR>AMHIK,<BR>Andrew<BR>At 07:43 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Thanks Terry,<BR><BR>Actually, I did not want to pull the action on = this turkey. I was toying with the idea of installing springs on a = thin strip of wood and then glueing it in place.<BR> <DL> <DD>-------------- Original message from "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>: -------------- <BR><BR> <DD>Alan, that was cruel and uncalled for. Whitney, like all = piano manufacturers space the butt springs one per butt! (It's the = butts that are randomly spaced!)   ;-)<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>That's all you get Rick until you give us more = information! R U replacing the spring rail for some reason? Or just the = springs. Perhaps this is the first time you have replaced this type of = spring? If so, you may just not be aware that the springs are set into = little holes in the spring rail - so no spacing efforts are needed - = just remove old springs and replace with new ones in original = holes. (You need to soak the felt to soften and remove the hide glue...... = oh no - was a Whitney glued up with hide glue or will it be some ookey = white crud.....?????)<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>No doubt there is tons of info in the archives describing = this job. I know there is good stuff in the PTG reprint articles - = that's what I used the first time I did that job.<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Terry Farrell<BR> <DL> <DD><BR>  <DD>Whitney spinet, eh? Just use the same random spacing the = factory used.... oh, wait, that was cruel.<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>More seriously: Are these on a damper rebound rail in = the usual configuration? Is the rail still usable?<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Actually, I guess I don't really understand your = question ... a little more detail, please ...<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Alan Barnard<BR> <DD>Salem, Missouri<BR> <DD><BR> <DL> <DD><FONT size=2> Is there a standard distance for = spacing hammer butt springs? I'm thinking of doing a gang = replacement on a Whitney spinet .<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Thanks,<BR> <DD>Rick Ucci/Ucci = Piano<BR></FONT></DD></DL></DD></DL></DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUO= TE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>