<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C57BCE.F49852F0" = rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType name="time" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="date" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple = link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As always, Dale and David, thanks for = your insight.   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I understand the hammer weight thing.  Let me add that this rebuilder found that the 17 = mm provided a bit too much leverage for most projects and wished New York = produced a shank with a 16.5 mm distance.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>By any chance (though I know there are = always exceptions) would 16.5 tend to work better in the earlier S&S pianos? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>   </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are Ronsen Wurzen hammers = generally lighter than NY S&S?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barbara Richmond</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 28, 2005 = 12:48 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: knuckle size/ = knuckle mounting distance</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">I would use Renner knuckles.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  = </SPAN>The size will depend on the location.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  = </SPAN>The farther down the balancier, the bigger they tend to be.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Choice of 16.5 over 17 = should depend on the overall leverage as it relates to the hammer weight, not a = personal preference.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: = yes">David Love<BR></SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><A = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</= A></SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Tahoma = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Barbara = Richmond<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><st1:date = Year="2005" Day="28" Month="6"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Tuesday, June 28, 2005</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> = </SPAN></FONT><st1:time Minute="12" Hour="8"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">8:12 AM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Pianotech<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> knuckle size/ knuckle = mounting distance</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey Dale Erwin (and all),</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Long time ago we were = talking about moving/replacing knuckles.   I'm ready--um.... = well, I have a friend who has all the equipment, anyway.  ;-)  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, I'm ready to order knuckles.  One time you recommended the ones by Tokiwa.  I = looked in the Pianotek catalog and saw that the Tokiwa knuckles only come in = 10mm diameter.   I guess you wouldn't use them if it was a = problem, but have you ever run into a case where that size just won't work = regulation wise?  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a couple = sets of shanks and flanges downstairs and I haven't measured their width yet, = so maybe I'm jumping the gun.   Perhaps I should just wait until I = have the pianos in hand and can test different shanks & knuckles.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also had a private = e-mail from someone who said he doesn't like 17 mm knuckle distance, but prefers 16.5.  After using the 17 mm knuckle distance on the Big, dead = hall D and having to set the key dip pretty deep (but no complaints from = pianists), I am wondering if 16.5 mm distance and a bigger knuckle (or not) would be = better than 17 mm.  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The pianos that = will probably get these sets of shanks and flanges are 1920s (or = give or take a few years) Steinways.  One B and the other an = L.    I'd like to just have these sets ready and waiting for convenience = sake and also, because my friend with the equipment is available now.  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What would you do?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Barbara = Richmond</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HT= ML>