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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maybe harder isn&#8217;t the best =
way to
express it.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Resistance to =
compression is
what I&#8217;m thinking of.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span>While in the
case of a loose bridge pin where the space is very small CA seems to =
work fine
(though I think epoxy is better assuming you have a way of delivering =
it) CA is
not really designed for &#8220;gap filling&#8221; in spite of the label =
on the
bottle.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span =
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Carl Meyer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month="9" Day="17" Year="2004"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:
 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Friday, September 17, =
2004</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="10" Minute="33"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
 font-family:Tahoma'>10:33 AM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 =
face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: CA =
glue</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>David, I'm not sure I agree =
with
you&nbsp;about epoxy being harder than ca. I have used both ca and epoxy =
to
fill rather small cracks in soundboards.&nbsp; I don't recall, but I =
think the
ca was the gap filling one.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I would put masking tape on =
each
side of the crack and fill so that the filler would be tape thickness =
higher
than the wood.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I would then scrape to =
level the
surface.&nbsp; It was a pain to scrape the ca because it was so hard =
that it
dulled my scraper.&nbsp; </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>That said, I think both ca =
and epoxy
are wonderful products and have many uses.&nbsp; There are also many
opportunities to screw up with them.&nbsp; =
DAMHIK.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It seems that ca and epoxy =
adhere to
each other very well.&nbsp; I know a tech that will seal the top of a =
crack
with a white (tinted) epoxy paste, then turn the piano on its back and =
fill the
bottom with ca.&nbsp; I don't know the thickness of the ca he =
uses.&nbsp; I
think I would prefer a thin epoxy on the =
bottom.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Carl Meyer Ptg assoc<br>
</span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font size=2 face=Arial><span
  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Santa =
Clara</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, =
Ca.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message =
----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div style='font-color:black'>

<p class=MsoNormal =
style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span=
></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net" =
title="davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David
Love</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><=
/font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" =
title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span=
></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><st1:date
Month="9" Day="16" Year="2004"><font size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thursday, September 16, =
2004</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="19" Minute="39"><font size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
 font-family:Arial'>7:39 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s=
pan></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: CA =
glue<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For larger =
bridge cracks
and repairs I prefer epoxy.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span>It is better
at gap filling, cures harder and has better adhesion properties.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I prefer CA glue for securing =
loose bridge pins
or when the cracks are hairline and you need wicking properties.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I wouldn&#8217;t expect either =
to fail if you
didn&#8217;t use the material beyond what it was designed for.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>CA glue on loose tuning pins is =
hard to
predict since the pin is being moved periodically, however, I have used =
this
repair on several occasions and have not had a problem even after =
several
years.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times =
New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span =
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Chris Henke<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month="9" Day="16" Year="2004"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:
 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, September 16, =
2004</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="8" Minute="17"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
 font-family:Tahoma'>8:17 AM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 =
face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech =
Listserv<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> CA =
glue</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>These questions should make =
for some
interesting discussion:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1) who likes to use CA glue =
instead
of Epoxy for cracked bridges, and why?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2) How long is a cracked =
bridge
repair using CA glue expected to last?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>3) How long is a loose =
tuning pin
repair using CA glue expected to last?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 =
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks, Chris =
Henke</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal =
style='margin-left:1.0in'><st1:place><st1:City><font size=2
  face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Portland</span></font></st1:=
City><font
 size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, =
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