<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Terry,  there is nothing "wrong" with spending 2 hours to do a pitch raise and final tuning, and I wouldnt worry too much about words to the contrary. Ok... some folks can get the job done faster.. some take more time. When I run into a piano that is lower then around 432, I simply bring it up to pitch and let it sit for a few days before fine tuning it. I charge the person for two full 1.5 hour visits and I fill all three hours with plenty of things the piano benifits from. I am certainly not alone in this approach. Most of our colleagues know enough about the "different strokes for different folks" concept that it wouldnt enter their wildest dreams to criticize a fellow tech over such differences. Ok...we all scratch our heads at each other once in a while...but that just looks funny and life would be boring without it..or what ? Point is that you do what works for you, you try and remain open to other ideas, and of course you keep on learning and getting better. I never take 10 minutes on a pitch raise...and if somebody else can and does well so what ? I dont (for myself) see the need to stress (and thats what a 10 minute pitch raise would be for me) with it. Other guys / gals may find that tempo anything but stressfull...perhaps quite the oposite. As for whether or not anyone can do a really fine quality tuning including a significant pitch raise in 38.5 minutes....I have never seen it done...I have heard of it...and find it fantastic...and think well hey....who knows......but above and beyond that the point simply in totaly uninteresting to me. What another person can or cant do is....well about them and not about me. I guess the bottom line in all this is that if you give the customer their moneys worth in any job... and maybe plus a little they didnt pay for...then you are doing fine. Better, in fact, it is difficult to do IMHO and all that. :) Ric B <blockquote TYPE=CITE>From Farrells:     "Now this is where my original question came from. What I am trying to do here is understand how slow I may be. I assume here that you have been at this profession for a goodly number of years. I read so many posts from techs that I am doing something wrong if I spent more than 20 minutes on a pitch raise. Some claim to do 6 to 8 minute pitch raises. OK, 61 cents is a large one pass pitch raise (I realize in this particular case you did two more octaves), so lets give this pitch raise 15 to 20 minutes. Throw in another 5 or 10 for the extra two octaves. We are still below a half hour. Now the tuning claims - never more than an hour - 40 minutes - 30 minutes. So how about 45 minutes for tuning? Then we have 45 + 25 = 70 minutes. One hour and ten minutes. What you did usually takes me right about 2 hours, and I would not have done any voicing. I'm not trying to pick on you Kevin - I don't know that you have ever claimed to be one of these 20 minute tuners - but is anyone willing to give an opinion - Are these claims of 8 minute pitch raises and 30 minute tunings just testosterone running wild? Or are many/most tuners that quick after 10 years in the field? (Again, I am trying to flush out the truth, not pick on anyone!)"</blockquote> -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. Bergen, Norway <A HREF="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no">mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</A>   </body> </html>