<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>P.S. Freely translated, "Yabut"  = means "Yeah, but..." :-}</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I knew that Alan, I was just being obstinate. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>    That twenty minute tuning isn't known as a = Concert Tuning From a Master Technician type of tuning believe me. It's more of = a "Oh my God, look at the time, how will I ever,,,,,I hope it's not too bad..." = type of exercise in pure horror. Actually, when doing one of these types of = things, as the clock ticks down to zero hour, you start taking items off the mental = inventory table of things you normally do. When It get's any shorter = than 20 minutes or so, we're looking at cleaning up unisons, and any octaves = that really stand out. In my opinion, a concert tuning is where I have at least four = hours to go over the piano and address tuning, voicing, and regulation issues. = In this instance, I checked the overall pitch, which was really close, set up my = SAT, started at A4, checked the width of the temperament octave and away we = went, tuning down from there to the bottom, fudging octaves as I went. Then I = go back to A4, set the machine at A3, and started tuning custom stretch octaves = up to about d#5, then I set the machine at E3 and tune leaving the notes a = couple of cents sharp. I get up to B6, with the machine set at B4, after tuning = it, I take the machine up to B6, if it agrees with what I have done, then I know = I'm in the ball park for the stretch I like and buzz through the top octave. After = that it's pull all those unisons in as quick as I can, and when I'm done I = play four octaves chromatically through the center of the piano to the top octave, = looking for anything that isn't a smooth progression. That's my quick tuning = technique. </DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mathstar@salemnet.com = href="mailto:mathstar@salemnet.com">Alan R. Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 24, 2002 = 11:39 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raises ... = Multiple Passes?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope you didn't read any criticism = into my message, I was just commenting on the many different percentages that = have been thrown about in this thread.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now you have REALLY tweaked my = interest: Tuning a piano in 20 mins? I don't think I could even randomly turn all the = pins in that much time. I am, admittedly, quite slow (I have only been = doing this for about 2 years, don't have very many customers, and my ADD = doesn't help me stay focused on repetitive tasks like unison setting) but tell = me, tell me anything that might help speed things up ...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My Tibetan is a little known local = dialect from around the <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Lungmug pass which, = incidentally, is the area of the headwaters of the Mekong River (Dza chu) and the village of Chamdo.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><IMG height=39 alt=tib src="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tibetmap/tib1.gif" width=155 align=bottom></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Alan R. Barnard</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>P.S. Freely translated, "Yabut"  = means "Yeah, but..." :-}</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ramsey@extremezone.com = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 23, 2002 = 9:01 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raises ... = Multiple Passes?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Alan, I didn't = know you spoke Tibetan..... Yabut to you too. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Dr. Al = recommends 20% in the bass, I tried it, and it really works for me. He is published as = saying he recommends 33% percent in the treble. I tried it on a whole bunch of = pianos and piano styles and sizes, and it has always left the treble too = sharp. Notice, I didn't say too sharp for my own personal taste,  but = too sharp according to his own machine. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    All I can tell = you, is everything I try to put out here on this list are things that I = definitely have given great thought to, and done a lot of research and = experimentation on. I don't know anywhere near as much about soundboards and piano construction as people like Del and Ron Nossaman, I don't know as = much about action geometry as Roger and many others on this list,( although I = do know a whole lot about actions and regulating them.) But one thing I'm = sure of is how to take a piano and bring it up from "horrible" to a concert = level tuning in the shortest amount of time. I have to know how to do it, = I'm one of the people in the sixth largest city in the USA who is the one up = there that's given a little over a half hour to get the piano ready after = it's sat under blowing air conditioning for four hours. I have to know how to = do it, and what works, and what doesn't.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>