<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; FONT-FAMILY: MS Sans Serif"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>OK, another voice.  Smooth pull rarely = works for me and has never worked for me on a S&S.  The only way to stability for me is the jerk method, coming down from above pitch = and <good> test blows.  One D I take care of in a concert = setting has plenty of tuning issues--pins bearing on the plate, popping pins, = all our favorites, yet the tunings hold up beautifully using this technique = (knock on wood).  Oh, yes, and tuning stability went way up when I switched = to tuning unisons as I go.  Someone suggested a drop of CA for the popping pins.  I haven't tried it yet.  Anyone?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barbara Richmond, RPT</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tune4u@earthlink.net = href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 19, 2005 = 9:55 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: The Art & = Science, was RE: Setting tuning pins</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Horace (didn't he send everyone west?) was kind enough to send = this only to me, thinking to spare my feelings. But, heck, WHAT feelings? = <G> More to the point, let's get some comment on it; else how shall we learn = ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It does seem to be stable for me and I have assumed it is because = I whack the note good so it settles while I'm there, not after I = leave. I always run through and clean up/double check unisons as a last step = anyway, maybe that helps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other voices, please.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Alan Barnard</DIV> <DIV>Salem, Missouri</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. Besides, there has been far too little controversy on the = list lately. It can get kind of stale after awhile ... cows taste good! = ...reverse crown is okay! ...CA doesn't work! ...false beats are caused by = aliens! ...APSCO people were nicer than Schaff people!  EBT tuning is best!        See? Now, THIS is fun, = wheeee ...</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=hgreeley@stanford.edu = href="mailto:hgreeley@stanford.edu">Horace Greeley</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A = title=tune4u@earthlink.net href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 12/19/2005 7:24:43 PM = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: The Art & = Science, was RE: Setting tuning pins</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><BR>Hi, Alan,<BR><BR>I won't post on = the list on this, but do feel the need to point out that this style of tuning is = inherently unstable, leaving the various lengths of the string at = varying tensions.  It is very reminiscent of how I originally learned = to tune in the 60's; and, while it certainly made me a good deal of money = with home/end user work, I had to very quickly abandon it when I started = doing concert and studio work.  In these latter settings, I really = don't care what people say publicly...the strings really do have to have the = tension as equalized as possible, or some "artist" or other will bang things = right out of tune...often in the opening chords of a recital.  The old buzz-phrase was to "set the pin" as the original thread title = notes...that shorthand really cannot be accomplished (on an S&S anyway), = without taking the string above pitch and then working it back = down.<BR><BR>I know that this is a minority view, n! ow days...I have tuned for over 40 = years now, spending most of those years tuning more Steinways than I = presently care to remember.  Ultimately, all the ones that I have seen = that have been tuned as you describe have been problematic until the basic = tuning is straightened out.  If it is working for you and for your = clientele, then I doff my hat...that is quite an achievement!<BR><BR>Very best regards.<BR><BR>Horace<BR><BR>At 05:03 PM 12/19/2005, you wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">To use the slow = pull on the S&S--especially if the pin is jumpy--it seems to work well to = first lower pitch a few cents then gently, slowly, steadily (while = whacking) raise it to slightly, I say again, <I>slightly</I> over pitch. = Then just let it settle (while whacking) without pushing the pin back, i.e., = without using the hammer to "set" the pin.<BR> <BR>If your first pull = is not high enough or, especially, if you pulled too high and end up = sharp, then you need to push down a few cents and start over. You get pretty = good at hitting it on the mark, after a bit.<BR> <BR>Have fun.<BR> <BR>Alan Barnard<BR>Salem, MO<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>