<HTML>In a message dated 12/15/00 8:31:02 AM Central Standard Time, A440A@AOL.COM writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><cents sharper than a straight FAC tuning.  NOBODY noticed!!!!! Dave asks: >>Where did C8 end up?   It ended up 55 cents sharp, as opposed to the 35 cents I normally see on the SAT. And was also asked: >>You mean to tell me that you tuned the whole octave sharp?  Gradually, I assume. And nobody noticed? Yes,  that is right. >>    They must have not said anything because they held you in such high esteem, but secretly, they're probably whispering " I think he's starting to lose it" after you left.>> No,  when a tech charges enough, nobody whispers.  This was in a performance environment, (Vanderbilt stage).  I had been asked to make the top end "brilliant" for a certain faculty recital, so I stretched it up in the last octave.  I left it there for the next three days, through continual use by a wide variety of pianists.      The top octave being stretched so far is not the same as the pure fifths tuning.  I only had two customers that like that sound,(jazzers, both).  I only increased the stretch in the last 12 notes. </BLOCKQUOTE> The problem I see with what you did is that it is purely arbitrary.  You simply "jacked up" your FAC program artificially by a number you picked out of thin air, you didn't match or blend any coincident partials.  You could have ended up in the same range by actually tuning these notes to something, not just "punching up numbers" as you admit to having done. Previously you wrote on the List for all to read and believe whatever you say must be right because after all, you tune for Waylon, Willie and the Boys and *they* like it,  that the way I tune octaves "***DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL***", well, guess what I think about what you did? When I tune the piano, I *tune* it, I don't just dial in numbers and hope that no one will complain.  Of course no one complained, it would have been unprofessional for them to have done so.  Next time, read the SAT manual and see what it says about tuning octaves instead of experimenting on the job. Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin</HTML>