<HTML>I tuned a Bal= dwin H grand the other day with a similar problem.  The piano hadn't be= en tuned for years, and was 30-50 cents flat.  I wasn't having a proble= m with getting the string to move(solved pretty nicely by Protek, in my expe= rience), but I was having a hard time moving the string to stay where it was= supposed to in many cases.  I'd get close, then "pop!"  It would = move up above or below pitch.  I suspect that the strings have small in= dentations, nicks, or bends in all the wrong places as a result of being so = far flat.   Could this be the case with your Schimmel?  Did it require a signif= icant pitch raise? Dave Stahl In a message dated 9/15/04 6:30:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kam544@gbro= nline.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At 4:52 PM -0700 9/15/04, T= LJ wrote: >... This is probably a very simple issue but I am at a total loss. &= nbsp;Any >suggestions will be appreciated. Rendering strings is never a simple issue on pianos that have exaggerated string deflection. By rendering I am speaking of equalizing the tension in all segments of the strings. I doubt the agraffes are necessarily your culprits in this matter though, but rather the felt between the agraffes and the tuning pins. Of course all the bearing points add to the overall difficulty. I tune a couple of M&A BBs' with incredible deflection in that area,= and it creates definite uncertainty in establishing stability, especially when a pitch change is required. There are some pianos a person just has to work at tuning, and there are some where the response of rendering and pin setting is a marvelous experience. </BLOCKQUOTE> </HTML>