<html> <body> Rick, <x-tab>        </x-tab>No I did not give him the material as he is well acquainted with the product and has been to the web site as well. I suppose I am off the hook but I sure would love to help him find an answer that he can live with. One of the ideas was to plan a 2 piano concert and bring the Pleyel in from the choir room. That might shed some light on things for him if the Pleyel winds up with the same troubles. Best, Greg At 07:42 AM 4/16/2004, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Well, as long as you promoted it you're off the hook. Did you give him their material? I find it very useful. Best case scenario it fixes the problem, worst case the piano is still better off. Good luck, Rick Ucci/Ucci Piano From: Greg Newell <gnewell@ameritech.net> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>, deanmay@pianorebuilders.com Subject: RE: Grotrian lost it's singing tone Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:23:41 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative;  boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28369_1082115729_1"<b= r> Thank you for your response and for your patience with me. I have just spent over a hour checking how SBC YAHOO spam filter is dumping perfectly good emails into my spam filter box. ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!! You think things are all set and then you find something like this. makes you wonder why you have a spam filter if you have to go through and look at all the mail anyway to make sure it isn't filtering perfectly good stuff!!! I agree about the Dampp-Chaser and have talked with him about it but so far he seems to be dodging the issue. We'll see.   Thanks! Greg Newell richard.ucci@att.net wrote: <dl> <dd>Greg, I would install a Dampp Chaser with cover, give it a few days and then look at voicing issues. <dd>Rick Ucci/Ucci Piano <dd>> >>The relative pitch in a <dd>> drafty but otherwise temperature constant hall is firm but the unisons <dd>> don't stay all that well. I usually don't have problems with stability but <dd>> this one is tough. It seems that the dealers tech, who was called out to <dd>> try and search out the problem too, also had trouble with pitch stability <dd>> as I went there days later and the unisons were not that clear. <dd>> <dd>> You say it is a drafty hall. I've seen lack of moisture cause a piano to <dd>> loose substantial amounts of singing tone. Maybe it dried out in the church. <dd>> <dd>> Dean <dd>> <dd>> Dean May cell 812.239.3359 <dd>> PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 <dd>> Terre Haute IN 47802 <dd>! > <dd>> -----Original Message----- <dd>> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora="autourl">mailto:pian= otech-bounces@ptg.org</a>]On Behalf <dd>> Of Greg Newell <dd>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:19 PM <dd>> To: Pianotech@ptg.org <dd>> Subject: Grotrian lost it's singing tone <dd>> <dd>> Greetings list, <dd>> I wonder if some or you wouldn't care to share your insight about <dd>> a weird issue I am having with a 7' Grotrian. Some time ago i asked this <dd>> list if money were not much of an issue which piano of this size would you <dd>> be most likely to buy. Many good responses came to that query and the <dd>> church's music director finally purchased 2 pianos. The purchases were the <dd>> aforementioned Grotrian and a 7' Pleyel. The Pleyel found it's home in the <dd>> choir room and the Grotrian is on stage in the sanctuary of this rather <dd>> large old church. The sanctuary has e x t r e m e l y high ceilings. <dd>> Since the delivery of this piano the mus! ic director and I have <dd>> been going round and round trying to pin point and even find the correct <dd>> words to describe something strange which the music director calls a loss <dd>> of it's singing tone. I think that the best way he recently described it to <dd>> me was an initial strong attack but an immediate drop in power with a less <dd>> than original sustain. A thorough examination of the piano found no problem <dd>> with a loss of crown or downbearing. There was no problem with the strings <dd>> regarding false beats or the like. The voicing was even and untouched from <dd>> the dealer prep it had received. In the space of 3 days after delivery the <dd>> character of the instrument changed. The one oddity we found after some <dd>> poking around one day was that after attaching a piece of wire to 2 strings <dd>> of a unison, ala the patented staple technology, the sound was noticeably <dd>> improved. While attaching the wire (temporarily) kn! ocked both strings out <dd>> of tune, they did not exibit the lack of power that is evident without the <dd>> "staple". <dd>> I'd be interested to hear about any observations you all might <dd>> have had with freshly delivered instruments exhibiting a loss of "singing <dd>> tone" and what you have done about it. I'd also be interested to hear what <dd>> experience along these lines that you may have had with the patented staple <dd>> technology. The music director is getting no response from his recent email <dd>> to Grotrian although others prior to this were answered almost immediately. <dd>> It would be great to have a replacement piano according to him but what if <dd>> the new one exhibits the same problems says I. Thoughts? <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Greg Newell <dd>> <dd>> Greg's piano Forté <dd>> <a href="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net"= eudora="autourl">mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net</a> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> _______________________________________________ <dd>> pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"= eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> <dd>> <dd>> _______________________________________________ <dd>> pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"= eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> <dd>_______________________________________________ <dd>pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"= eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> <br= > </dl> Greg Newell Greg's Piano Forté Lakewood, OH 44107 _______________________________________________ pianotech list info: <a href="http://www.ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotec= h"= eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a></block= quote> <x-sigsep></x-sigsep> Greg Newell Greg's piano Forté <a href="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net"= eudora="autourl">mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net</a></body> </html>