<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Thanks Dale. The thought of using shims had occurred to me, = but had not tried it out yet. Your additional procedure of doing a few dips = accurately in the piano, and then replicating them on the bench should indeed = eliminate some uncertainty and get you pretty darn close. Thanks for the = tip.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think sometimes the difference between folks that do all their = leveling in the home and those that prefer to do it in the shop, is that = some techs have a lot of high-performance pianos to maintain and their leveling = consists of perfecting a not-so-horrible keyboard. I like the shop because almost = all my leveling jobs are these never-been-leveled-in-82-years jobs plus they = need major regulation, minor repairs, file off a half-inch of hammer felt, etc. So, = I think shop leveling does have its place.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <DIV> <SPAN id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wardprobst@cst.net href="mailto:wardprobst@cst.net">Dale = Probst</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 18, 2001 = 3:07 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: key leveling -- = crown?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=340430320-18112001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Carl & Terry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=340430320-18112001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Bed the keyframe, adjust the glides and set samples of dip in the = piano before you bring the keyboard into the shop. Then when you clamp the = keyframe to your bench, use shims to duplicate the dip on your samples. Don't = adjust the glides in the shop. When you take the keyboard back you should be = pretty accurate in the piano and just have touchup to do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=340430320-18112001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=340430320-18112001><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Dale</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=340430320-18112001> <P><FONT size=2>Dale Probst, RPT<BR>Ward & Probst, = Inc.<BR>email: wardprobst@cst.net<BR>(940)691-3682 voice<BR>(940) 691-6843 fax<BR></FONT></P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr = align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf = Of </B>Carl Meyer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 18, 2001 1:07 = PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: key leveling -- crown?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks Jon.  Didn't think of that</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG<BR>Santa = Clara, California<BR><A = href="mailto:cmpiano@home.com">cmpiano@home.com</A>  </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jonpage@mediaone.net = href="mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net">Jon Page</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 18, = 2001 10:45 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: key leveling -- crown?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3>At 10:29 AM 11/18/2001 -0800, you = wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">Sure sounds like something is = moving.  If you find out just what, I'd like<BR>to know.<BR><BR>I always = clamp the key frame to make sure it is in contact with the = bench.<BR>Sometimes even in the middle of the front rail.  I haven't actually = leveled<BR>that many keys.  It's more fun to make tools than to use = them.  I'm only<BR>half joking when I say maybe you should use go bars all = over the frame.<BR><BR>The problem, as someone suggested, in leveling in = the piano, is that there<BR>is no room to install the weights on the = backchecks, the stack isn't on<BR>(that may affect the height) and you have to sit = so low that it is<BR>uncomfortable.<BR><BR>I'm assuming you use the = weights hanging off the backchecks.  They are<BR>probably heavier = than the stack.  All these small variables add up, but I<BR>still feel = doing at least the major leveling on the bench is = more<BR>productive.  Especially when you are refelting the whole keybed.<BR><BR>Let me = know if you come up with any ideas as to why that is happening.<BR><BR>Thanks;<BR><BR>Carl Meyer  Assoc. = PTG<BR>Santa Clara, California<BR>cmpiano@home.com</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I = would like to mention something about the attachment of the clip-on lead = weights.<BR>They should not be 'hung'_off_the back of the backcheck. This has a = tendency to lift<BR>the front of the key higher than the weight of the action = would, giving it a false height.<BR><BR>They should be 'hung'_on_the front = side of the backcheck. The action will fit better<BR>into the action cavity.<BR><BR><FONT size=3><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jon = Page,   piano technician<BR>Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass.<BR><A href="mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net" = eudora="autourl">mailto:</A>jonpage<A href="mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net" = eudora="autourl">@mediaone.net</A><BR><A href="http://www.stanwoodpiano.com/" = eudora="autourl">http://www.stanwoodpiano.com</A><BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>