<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;= charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2604" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in= 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New= Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New= Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New= Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in;= FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=#ffffff>I've= tried it also and I'm not that happy with it.  I'm= going to stick to needles.   For me, steaming gave me= unlevel strike surface which then had to deal with,  = If I had done any needling prior to steaming...god what a bumpy= mess...I've still got it in the bag of tricks but only for rock= hammers. David Ilvedson <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid;= PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message From: Michael Gamble= <MICHAEL@GAMBLES.FSNET.CO.UK> To: Jerry Cohen= <EMAILFORJC@YAHOO.COM> Received: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:07:52= -0000 Subject: Re: Modern Tone II, the Return of the= Question <DIV align=left>Hello Jerry, Alan and= List</DIV> <DIV>Let us not forget Roger Jolly's= wonderful steam approach. He sent me a copy of his treatise on= the subject and I've tried it. It works. Needle-less voicing...= worth a thought? Non?</DIV> <DIV>Michael G.(UK)</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;= MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:= 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----= </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:= black">From: <A title=emailforjc@yahoo.com= href="mailto:emailforjc@yahoo.com">Jerry Cohen</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A= title=pianotech@ptg.org= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005= 3:28 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: Modern Tone II,= the Return of the Question</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  -----Original Message----- <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: <A= href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.or= g</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of= Alan Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005= 1:08 AM<FONT= face=Tahoma size=2> To:= 'Pianotech' Subject: RE: Modern Tone II, the Return of the= Question     P.S.=  Part of my pursuit of this at this time is a desire to= rescue an area Methodist church from the shrill, busy,= ultra-bright, piercing, stident, trident (gummed up) sound= of the little Samick SG-172 grand they bought. I'm pretty sure= it's going to start with some serious string seating, bridge pin= stabilization, and regulation--followed by a session in the back= room with those hammers ... under a bright light ... with a= rubber hose and brass knuckles, to soften them up. I don't THINK= I could make it worse, even with what I know, now.  And,= no, there are no other guild techs within two hours of here= and no local yokels I'd want to invite to help. I am= alllllll aloooooooone here in the elephant ivory= graveyard. <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">Alan, <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think= the Samick is an excellent piano to start learning with. I did= some voicing on one a few weeks ago. It was also shrill and= painful to tune. The hammers are actually decent quality, and= with needling, you can create nice elasticity in the shoulders,= and create whatever you want as you approach the= top. <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since= you are just starting, my advice is to make some improvement in= some section. If you try to do everything, you will get= frustrated and lose perspective. For example, even though the= whole piano sounds shrill, try to find one octave that is a= little worse (or a lot worse) than the rest. Work only on that= section, and try to make it blend perfectly with the rest of the= piano. By doing this you will be developing your skills at not= only tone building, but also creating an even line. After you= have finished that section, pat yourself on the back, and leave= the piano for maybe a week or two. Then you can start working on= other sections.  If you work on the whole piano at once,= you can easily lose your reference. <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We met= briefly during Don Mannino’s voicing class in= <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">Sacramento. While he spent more time on pre-voicing, he really did= demonstrate most of the principles of voicing. I suggest= starting with the shoulders, trying to feel the elasticity being= created. Work on one note at a time. Make a few stabs, front and= rear, and listen to the result. The difference should be heard= in the mF and F levels. Listen very carefully. When you hear a= difference, move to the next note, even if you haven’t finished= the first one. Remember, the needling tool works a lot better= than the unneedling tool! Eventually you can start working up to= the crown, but stay away from the strike point for now. Use this= area to create a nice mp and p sound. The final result should be= nice tone which has variety from pp to F. At FF it should start= to crash. Then you have created the full dynamic range of the= piano. <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It was= good to meet you last month, however briefly, and I hope this= helps. <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial">  <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jerry= Cohen <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NJ= Chapter   <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt;= MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"> <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE:= 12pt"> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> -- No virus found in this outgoing= message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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