<HTML>In a message dated 10/30/2003 10:19:18 AM Eastern Stan= dard Time, peter-burns.pianotuner@tesco.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> >Hi list, >  I have always detached the pedal lyre when moving a grand piano.I= had a >friend help me deliver a small grand last week,that we had rebuilt,and h= e >left the pedal lyre on.He says he always leaves it on when breaking the<= BR> >piano down,and puts it on again before the legs, when setting it back up= .I >am wondering how safe it is,as it is so much easier to move. >Best, >Hazen Bannister</BLOCKQUOTE> I was working for Mayflower Van lines when I first started moving grands and= we always removed the lyre first. However, once in "the business" I learned= to do it the right way. Leave the Lyre on and use it as a pivot to lower th= e corner onto the skid. Works neat and easy and in 30 years have never lost = a lyre. The store I work for (a former Baldwin dealer) lost only one lyre in= 50 years and that was on a Baldwin Concertmaster. Bad construction. I found= out when I called Baldwin (Gibson) that there was a long back log of orders= for new lyres for those grands. Anyway, I also always leave the lyre on until last so I have something solid= to hang on to if the piano starts to teeter a bit. Works great! Never a pro= blem (so far...) Here's to keepin' em movin'! will wickham </HTML>