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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Hello
Quentin,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Yes, I
tried the leather covered tool, I find it comfortable but it is also =
noisy and
generate partials if inserted wrongly.It seem to disturb more the yet =
tuned
notes than the Papp mute , and change too much the attack of the tone =
for my
liking also.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>The
pickle picker works fine enough, for me, because what one have to listen =
to is
the energy of the unison, not pitches. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Use
the same approach to tune octaves (energy) and you will avoid extra high =
treble,
the larger energy in the high treble is of course in the fundamental. I =
was
instructed to tune the treble as high I want , but assuming any octave =
"works"
(guess you see what I mean). Playing the 2 notes together help to focus =
on
minimal stretch, while playing the highest note a little later tend to =
push the
stretch way up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Another test is playing a long arpeggio from medium to the high =
treble.
If the high treble seem well in tune then chances are the tuning is too =
high .
High treble may fell to the edge of being too low if one want to benefit =
of the
added resonance the high treble gives at lower =
octaves.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Yesterday, for fun I began to tune unisons of a vertical Yamaha =
U3
without a mute (and without opening the piano).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>It may
be tiring for the ear probably, but I obtained absolutely perfect, =
and even
very good sounding unisons in all the medium of of the piano (I =
stopped
because the studio was rented, but I had "tuned" 2/3 of the piano in env =
5 -6
minutes ! Talk of an application of the "unison first approach
!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I have
done the same in the treble and extra treble for another =
instrument
and it works fine , because you are not in research of
"justness" If one learn to "listen" or appreciate the =
strength
and power of the unison, the good moment is easily recognized, without =
listening
to partials or pitches, only to the tone material =
available.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Sexy
explanation if you prefer, but it may be interesting to try. For =
instance tune
with earplugs, with the radio on, or while focusing on your holydays at =
the
beach! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>As
building tone does not mean you are finding the tone so pleasing, in too =
many
cases the tone of the instrument can only be made the less bad possible =
in fact,
so what counts is the playability of the thing in the =
end.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Listening too much and expecting the creation of a nice tone =
every time
can be misleading, and very tiring.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Once
the basic work have been done it begin to be easier to search for =
harshness or
problems, pick them up and even the tone, playing little scales =
and
searching for the string pair responsible of the
problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>These
last manipulations rarely change the setting of the pin (mostly the =
setting of
the string) so they are fast to realize. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I also
noticed that the aliquot back scales seem to be ringing more clearly =
when the
unisons are to me optimum.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Dealing with energy (hence regulating attack quality ) is the =
only way to
even the break(s)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>This
way of listening is also helpful to appreciate regulation when it comes =
to it
- checking the landing (aftertouch) prior to tune is helping us a =
lot
also, we need a good tactile feedback and control on the hammer to tune, =
if the
key bottom even slightly before the tone is produced, no way to control =
the
thing (one of the problems of too soft punching that compress during =
letoff if
one want to keep aftertouch small).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I'll
try to talk about differences in tuning learning another time, seem a =
vast
subject, difficult to express in a few lines.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Best
wishes</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=536263109-21082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Isaac</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B> Quentin
Codevelle<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> vendredi 20 août 2004 =
22:47<BR><B>À :</B>
pianotech<BR><B>Objet :</B> setting pitch with a =
fork<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Exactly, cher ami !!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's a pickle Picker !!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did you try the wooden mute with the =
skin stripe on
it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Quentin</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>