<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7><FONT id=rol= e_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Andre,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good to see you post here again!  Your presence and wealth of information was truly missed!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dave S.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:55:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, antares@euronet.nl writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><BR><BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On 29-nov-2005, at 19:31, Stéphane Collin wrote:</DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline></SPAN></F= ONT> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; = COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: no= rmal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorat= ions-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SP= AN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Yahoo ! André !</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-s= pan style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN></FONT> = </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SP= AN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Long time no see.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SP= AN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Great to read you aga= in here.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>And you Stéphane!<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; = COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: no= rmal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorat= ions-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-s= pan style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN></FONT> = </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SP= AN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Now, if, yes, this is= all a matter of taste, as stated by others, what I would find interesting is t= o sort out what is a matter of taste from what is obviously faulty.  Difficult, but certainly important to master.  Any ideas ?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-s= pan style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN></FONT> = </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SP= AN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Best regards.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-s= pan style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN></FONT> = </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=4><SP= AN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Stéphane Collin.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Let me put it this way (since you ask me) :</DIV> <DIV>It is maybe better to simplify things in the first place, because thi= s whole thing about voicing is so abstract.</DIV> <DIV>We have a piano A, consisting of a soundboard, a wooden frame, an iro= n frame, a bunch of strings, a keyboard and an action.</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>All this combined will give a <I>specific</I> kind of sound, totally different from piano B. which was b= uilt in a slightly different way.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV>So Piano A and B have different personalities and both these differen= t personalities may have different characters.</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>When we hit a string of piano A, with = an unvoiced hammer, the outcome will be <I>condensed</I> and the hardness and= shrillness predictable because of the high overtones being activated by a stone hard hammer (assuming the unvoiced hammer is stone hard). Neverthele= ss, it will already be possible to distinguish a trace of a personality, hidde= n and masked by the 'voice', the hammer.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV>The same of course for piano B.</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>Now what we do with voicing the hammer= s, is sort of playing with the possibilities the personality of the piano <I>and</I> its hammer gives us.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span><I>Playing</I> with the hammer is in a= n way limited, because we have only a number of possibilities here :</SPAN></DIV= > <DIV>we can leave it the way it is </DIV> <DIV>we can give it a small cushion</DIV> <DIV>we can give it a big cushion</DIV> <DIV>we can give it a hard crown, combined with a small cushion</DIV> <DIV>we can give it a mellow crown, combined with a big cushion</DIV> <DIV>we can give it a limited battery voicing, combined with the above</DI= V> <DIV>we can give it a huge battery voicing, combined with the above</DIV> <DIV>we can give it a tulip shape, combined with the above</DIV> <DIV>we can give it an egg shape, combined with the above</DIV> <DIV>we can give it a diamond shape, combined with the above</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>There are more things we can do, but I think this is enough as an example.</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Anyway, what I am trying to say, is that we will always be able to distinguish the personality, but this personality can be masked with quite= a number of personae.</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>That's why I mentioned before :</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>To give a piano = <I>a voice</I> is one thing,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span>What <I>kind</I>= <I>of voice</I> is another.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>EAR</DIV> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV><BR> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; 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Vinkeleskade 1-3hg<BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">1071 SN Amsterdam </DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">The Netherlands</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">tel/fax : 0031-20-6237357</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">gsm   :  0031-645-492389</DIV></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SP= AN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"= >Dave Stahl<BR><BR>Dave Stahl Piano Service<BR>650-224-3560<U><BR><A href="http://www.dstahlpiano.net/">http://www.dstahlpiano.net/</A></U></FO= NT></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>