<HTML>In a message dated 11/26/01 9:01:48 AM Central Standard Time, A440A@AOL.COM writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><just tuning the temperament (via intervals) solely by ear (not counting the beat rates or using an electronic device, just tuning to what "sounds" good)? Any ideas how close to a correct temperament someone could come using this method?>> </BLOCKQUOTE> When you listen to a piano being played, you probably don't hear the beats between intervals, unless you're playing soft, and you can hear the thirds and sixth beat. But when you are tuning a temperament, and wanting it to "sound good," you're going to be listening to beats. There is no other way it can be done. It's the beats between two notes, or even between three notes of a chord, that will tell you if it "sounds good." Now, whether that will pass the test or not depends on your definition of what "sounds good" Wim</HTML>