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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I was thinking about Barbara’s
temporary installation when I posted this—see me response coming with an
attachment. Sometimes, like Ron mentioned, it’s a matter of getting
them tied down until you can get the rest of the tension on them. Sometimes,
however, the angle of the plate is wrong. It seems like some of these
bars are held down with a bit of vanish or something to just give them that bit
of stick when dry. I have also tacked them with a bit of CA glue.
The thin stuff wicks underneath these bars really easily even after the strings
are on. Also, the half ovals give you a greater leeway in terms of the
angle of the plate matching the string angle because the string will contact a
larger area over the apex and the force will be more downward and less sideward
if it’s not a perfect match—I don’t know if I splained that
very well. When in doubt, pin ‘em.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>David Love</span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'><br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Jeannie Grassi</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 09, 2006
8:20 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Pianotech List</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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face="Calisto MT"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT";
color:blue'>That’s really helpful, David. The piano is long gone,
but it was slipping out away from the pins. The puzzling thing was that
there had been a half round there previously with nothing underneath it.
I don’t know why that stayed in place. I’ll remember this tip
for the next time it happens.</span></font></p>
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color:blue'>jeannie</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Jeannie Grassi, RPT<br>
Registered Piano Technician<br>
Island Piano Service<br>
Bainbridge Island, WA<br>
206-842-3721<br>
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href="mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net"><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net</span></font></a></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Love<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 09, 2006
8:09 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Pianotech List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With the
tension on can you tap it back into place and will it stay? If not, then
the angle of that part of the plate isn’t right to hold it in place with
just string pressure. When installing an entire length in such situations
I usually pin it. However for your testing purpose you won’t want
to do that. Does it tend to slip toward the tuning pins or away from
them? If it’s toward the tuning pins you might cut a short, thin
strip of wood that you can place between the new brass half round and the old counterbearing
bar to hold it in place. If it’s slipping away from the tuning
pins…I’ll have to think about that one. </span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Jeannie Grassi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 09, 2006
7:53 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Pianotech List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 color=blue
face="Calisto MT"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT";
color:blue'>I had a problem keep a length of brass half round in place.
I’m interested in knowing what people use to make sure it doesn’t
move. It was a longer piece that extended the entire treble area.
It was a slippery little thing that moved when the tension was brought up
to pitch. </span></font></p>
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face="Calisto MT"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT";
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<p style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Jeannie Grassi, RPT<br>
Registered Piano Technician<br>
Island Piano Service<br>
Bainbridge Island, WA<br>
206-842-3721<br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'><a
href="mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net"><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net</span></font></a></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Barbara Richmond<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 09, 2006
1:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi David,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>When experimenting duplex
length with brass half or oval round, would you, in this case, place anything
on the bottom of the brass to avoid scratching the plate? Or isn't
it a problem?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Barbara Richmond</span></font></p>
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bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net"
title="davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</a> </span></font></p>
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February 28, 2006 10:25 PM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
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v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Like Ron
N. says, I think it’s likely it has to do with the front duplex and you
may be able to shorten, detune and increase the deflection angle by inserting
some brass of appropriate dimension—at least you can experiment. If
it turns out that that’s the problem, it’s not that big a deal to
remove the strings from one section and insert the new counterbearing piece and
then replace the strings (the same ones you took off). Unhook them from
the tuning pins slip in the brass or whatever and then reattach—if that
proves to be the problem. I get brass of varying sizes from <a
href="http://www.rjleahy.com/">www.rjleahy.com</a>. They will cut to a
reasonable shipping size. I don’t know the configuration of this
piano but maybe you can send pictures and some suggestions could be made by
various people, I’m sure. If the noise disappeared originally by
muting the front duplex, it is likely that there is leakage occurring and
that’s what you should address. Shortening the section and
increasing the deflection can do that. You do want to be sure that the
angle and deflection work together. The longer the duplex the greater the
deflection angle. Similarly, a shorter duplex requires smaller angle. </span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p>
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