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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Calisto MT"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT";color:blue'>That’s
really helpful, David. The piano is long gone, but it was slipping out away
from the pins. The puzzling thing was that there had been a half round
there previously with nothing underneath it. I don’t know why that
stayed in place. I’ll remember this tip for the next time it
happens.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT";color:blue'>jeannie</span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:blue'>Jeannie Grassi, RPT<br>
Registered Piano Technician<br>
Island Piano Service<br>
Bainbridge Island, WA<br>
206-842-3721<br>
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href="mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net"><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net</span></font></a></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Love<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 09, 2006
8:09 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Pianotech List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With the tension on can
you tap it back into place and will it stay? If not, then the angle of
that part of the plate isn’t right to hold it in place with just string
pressure. When installing an entire length in such situations I usually
pin it. However for your testing purpose you won’t want to do
that. Does it tend to slip toward the tuning pins or away from
them? If it’s toward the tuning pins you might cut a short, thin
strip of wood that you can place between the new brass half round and the old
counterbearing bar to hold it in place. If it’s slipping away from
the tuning pins…I’ll have to think about that one. </span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Jeannie Grassi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 09, 2006
7:53 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Pianotech List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=blue
face="Calisto MT"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT";
color:blue'>I had a problem keep a length of brass half round in place.
I’m interested in knowing what people use to make sure it doesn’t
move. It was a longer piece that extended the entire treble area.
It was a slippery little thing that moved when the tension was brought up
to pitch. </span></font></p>
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face="Calisto MT"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calisto MT";
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<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Jeannie Grassi, RPT<br>
Registered Piano Technician<br>
Island Piano Service<br>
Bainbridge Island, WA<br>
206-842-3721<br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'><a
href="mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net"><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net</span></font></a></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Barbara Richmond<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 09, 2006
1:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi David,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>When experimenting duplex
length with brass half or oval round, would you, in this case, place anything
on the bottom of the brass to avoid scratching the plate? Or isn't
it a problem?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Barbara Richmond</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net"
title="davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</a> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
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href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday,
February 28, 2006 10:25 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE:
v-bar/capo repair</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Like Ron
N. says, I think it’s likely it has to do with the front duplex and you
may be able to shorten, detune and increase the deflection angle by inserting
some brass of appropriate dimension—at least you can experiment. If
it turns out that that’s the problem, it’s not that big a deal to
remove the strings from one section and insert the new counterbearing piece and
then replace the strings (the same ones you took off). Unhook them from
the tuning pins slip in the brass or whatever and then reattach—if that
proves to be the problem. I get brass of varying sizes from <a
href="http://www.rjleahy.com/">www.rjleahy.com</a>. They will cut to a
reasonable shipping size. I don’t know the configuration of this piano
but maybe you can send pictures and some suggestions could be made by various
people, I’m sure. If the noise disappeared originally by muting the
front duplex, it is likely that there is leakage occurring and that’s
what you should address. Shortening the section and increasing the
deflection can do that. You do want to be sure that the angle and
deflection work together. The longer the duplex the greater the
deflection angle. Similarly, a shorter duplex requires smaller angle. </span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p>
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