<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; FONT-FAMILY: MS Sans Serif"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I  rarely reply to messages on this list, although I do read them all.  I dont usually feel I can contribute very much that hasn't already been said.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>However, in this case, I feel the need to cast my ballot.  Being of an age (60) and a hearing state (pretty good still) and a mind (still open I hope), I vote to have less of this intentionally provoked agrument which sheds more heat than light.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I do use an ETD, as I came to this career late in life. I am also still working to learn to tune aurally.  So I do appreciate the posts that help me learn, and I try to ignore the posts that </FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><STRONG>self serve.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron, I am sure your career has been great.   I am sure that your have done a great job for more years than I have been tuning pianos.  I am sure that I still have a lot to learn.  Having said that, I am also sure that most of us learn best from those who don't shout their opinions down from the rooftops.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Flame suit at the ready,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dave Smith</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>SW FL</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><STRONG>From:</STRONG> </FONT><A title=ronmay_rpt@bellsouth.net href="mailto:ronmay_rpt@bellsouth.net">RON MAY, RPT</A> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:24 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MY ETD IS MADE BY SIEMENS-- IT'S CALLED A HEARING AID</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">"Well, sorry to tell ya, but you strike out there also. Sanderson accutuner has no screen - just an LED array."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Terry, why do I even care.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I started this posting with the idea of doing nothing but urging  tuners to care about yourselves and your hearing enough to go get your hearing checked. I wanted to do nothing but take the possible fear of using a hearing aid away. All I did was mention that I was 69 years old and had been an Aural tuner forever and at this point in my life seen no reason to go out and invest in an ETD. If you like yours, terrific. All I have received from you and most of the ETDers is a bunch of crap. I couldn't care less if you tune your  pianos using a harmonica.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are tuners out there that need encouragement to go get their hearing checked.  This whole post began as nothing more than trying to help these people.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>The statistics show that half of the population over 60 has hearing loss of some sort.  I would bet that half of the tuners over w35 or 40 have hearing loss and especially aural tuners.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>As far as striking out Terry Farrell,  I've hit home runs over your swelled head for close to 50 years so you know what you can do with your Sanderson. And while you are doing that you just might lower yourself down to the point of <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>GETTING YOUR STUPID HEARING CHECKED.<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I AM OUT OF HERE</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial> </DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>GOOD BY.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>RON MAY, RPT</DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:10 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MY ETD IS MADE BY SIEMENS-- IT'S CALLED A HEARING AID</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><EM>"I will also admit to you that about the only thing I know about an ETD other than Siemens of course, is that it has a screen."</EM></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Well, sorry to tell ya, but you strike out there also. Sanderson accutuner has no screen - just an LED array.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Terry Farrell</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Wow!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Why are you ETD ers so touchy.  I don't think I said one thing against tuners that use ETD's other than my experience with the old lady. Have you gotten so touchy about the mere mention of aural tuning you take it as an attack. The fact is that I have thought many times about investing in one. It would be especially nice as you say in noisy situations and I guess I can see that it probably could be a help in pitch raise and if you prefer to use them that is fine. I also know and have a number of friends that use them and are excellent "RPT" tuners.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I will also admit to you that about the only thing I know about an ETD other than Siemens of course, is that it has a screen.  I know that you are now going to say I should go check them out.  Folks, I am 69 years old as of last week and going on 22. If I bought one of those things, my teacher, Dr. William Braid White would do a back flip in his grave.I have cut my work load down to three pianos a day. I retired when I quit working on Saturday. I also wouldn't think about tuning a piano before 10am or after 4 pm. I can tune a piano, usually in an hour to an hour and a half. I take in one action at a time and am backed up on action work for about 3 months--yeh! I do it because I like to do it and I do it when I want to.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Don't be so bloomin touchy ETDers.  I have got one question. How do you hear the piano when you have plugs in your ears?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>On page 57 under Tuning in the Steinway Technical service guide. ( you ought to get one) I quote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>"Steinway & Sons stresses the importance of aural tuning.  Developing piano tone is a mechanical and musical art. Solid aural tuning exercises and develops the musical ear, giving the technician a greater ability to master the methods used in tone building."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>You don't need to holler and get upset with me----Holler at Mr. Steinway.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Some day I think I will probably check the ETDs out if for no other reason but curiosity.  There is maybe one thing you ETDers can help me with. Just about every week or two I get a call from someone in the area who has just had their piano tuned and are very unhappy with the extreme last octave in the bass. This isn't just one tuner that I run into.  Invariably the last octave is so far sharp it is dissonant. Any kid with a years lessons would hear it. There is no way any tuner has listened to this. Is there something about ETDs that don't hear that last octave?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hang loose people. There are plenty pianos out there for all of us.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> <P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> <P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>