<html> <body> Marshall, The coiler needs lots of room.  You need to back the pin way out to use it or it will hit the plate and then ride up as the pin goes down.  After getting your coil, hammer the pin down just high of level and then tune it up to pitch. Andrew Anderson At 11:07 AM 3/29/2006, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Andew, That makes sense then but why the coiler keeps comming off the coile is either due to my trouble with depth perception or could it be a defective tool? Marshall <dl> <dd>----- Original Message ----- <dd>From: <a href="mailto:anrebe@sbcglobal.net">Andrew and Rebeca Anderson</a> <dd>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</a> <dd>Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:35 AM <dd>Subject: Re: problem learning how to use an insta coiler <dd>Marshall, <dd>Essentially yes.  If you check Richard's detailed message he states that with modifications for pin size.  As you wind the hook hole is lifted up continuing the winding above each loop.  When you wind, you should be winding the tuning pin down into the block and the reverse thread on the coiler should be lifting the coiler.  If the coiler is already fully lifted you will not be able to turn it any more which is why you rewind it to the starting position each time before starting. <dd>Andrew Anderson <dd>At 06:35 AM 3/29/2006, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dd>Hi Andrew, <dd>Is that rewound position with the two parts of the tool touching, the color and the top portion where the two meet, or are they suposed to be turned so that they are seperated? <dd>Marshall <dl> <dd>----- Original Message ----- <dd>From: <a href="mailto:anrebe@sbcglobal.net">Andrew and Rebeca Anderson</a> <dd>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</a> <dd>Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:21 AM <dd>Subject: Re: problem learning how to use an insta coiler <dd>Marshall, <dd>There were some very detailed messages on this.  The coiler has to be re-set ready to start each time.  Ie. rewound back to the beginning. <dd>Andrew <dd>At 09:31 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dd>Hi Andew and othes who replied about the coiler. If'ts ok with you I"m going to print the e-malis and take them to my next raining session.  Maybe the pin is too tight on the jig.  I can turn it with the little handle,but man when I put the tuning lever on and try to hold the little h andle of the coiler in place. it won't budge.  I'm not sure if it's a vision depth perseption thing or the tool is bad. <dd>Marshall <dd>  <dl> <dd>-------------- Original message -------------- <dd>From: Andrew and Rebeca Anderson <anrebe@sbcglobal.net> <dd>Marshall, <dd>Is this the Scioretino insta-coiler?  I like that tool.  You do have to back out the pin more than otherwise.  You turn it all the way in, run the string through the becket.  Drop the coiler down on top and engage the notch.  Hold the thin little handle so the notch faces where the string will come from at tension.  Put your tuning lever on and turn it three turns.  Back the coiler notch off and remove.  Voila three nice coils.  Drive the pin level, lift the coil and tune up to pitch. <dd>Andrew Anderson <dd>At 08:24 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dd>Hi Everyone, <dd>Yesterday I went to chicago to learn string replacement.  Unfortunatley, I had to learn on this tool called an insta coiler. I literally hate this thing.  First, am I suposed to simply use it with the little thin handle, or is the top suposed to have a tuning lever tip placed on it and turned by the tuning lever?  We tryied that and the thing wouldn't budge.  I mean I had to hold the handle of the coiler and try to keep it from moving as I turned the tuning lever.  Then we tried using it without the lever and turning it by the small thin handle that is attached to it.  For some reason I had trouble keeping the coiler strait enough and the becket would slip out of the groove and then the tuning pin would simply turn in the jig.  Also, that adjustable color part kept comming loose so I had to retighten it with the tuning lever.  So I'm pretty fed up and p.... sed off at this tool! .  Is it my lack of depth perseption or the is this tool faulty?  <dd>Any ideas other than , "Oh you're posting too much," are welcome.  I'm serious too, don't even try that one with me with the mood I'm in tonight. :) <dd>Marshall <dl> <dd>----- Original Message ----- <dd>From: <a href="mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com">Avery</a> <dd>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</a> <dd>Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:42 PM <dd>Subject: Re: How to diagnose YC Expanding Action Brackets <dd>At 08:37 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dd>Rick, <dd>Another action bracket tip off would be the serial number of the piano.  The range I've heard several times is in the 60,000 to 96,000 range, although I've replaced brackets on a few Young Changs in the early 100,000s.  <dd>If the brackets need replacing, it's a straightforward job.  The piano is probably ready for a complete regulation and voicing by now.  </blockquote> <dd>I would think that it would be "normal" after replacing the action brackets! :-) <dd>Avery Todd <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dd>Daniel F. Dannenfelser, RPT <dd>Sacramento, CA</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> </dl> </dl> </dl> </dl></blockquote></body> </html>