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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You might try using a double fifth or a 17&#8217;th
in the top two octaves. &nbsp;&nbsp;In fact, if they are smooth that is how far to stretch
the octave, but I am sure there is some one who will disagree with that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PIANO BOUTIQUE</span></font><font
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>William Benjamin</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Piano Tuner Extraordinaire</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="http://www.pianoboutique.biz"><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>www.pianoboutique.biz</span></font></a></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The tuner alone,</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>preserves the tone.</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Robert Finley<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:58
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Question About Setting
Octaves in the High Treble</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am learning to tune the piano by ear and have a question
about tuning octaves in the high treble and performing the tests on them. Lower
down the piano and for an octave or two above the temperament octave I use a
3rd-10th test to check whether the beat rate of the 10th is the same as or
slightly faster than the 3rd, to provide an octave that is correctly stretched.
When I go higher in pitch I use a 3rd-17th test so that I can still&nbsp;hear
the beats and do the comparison. The problem I am having is that when I go
still higher, say in the&nbsp;final octave, I can hear the beats of the third
but I can't hear the beats of the 17th, or any ripple at all. I
can't&nbsp;therefore compare the two beats rates and check the octave. The
higher note also dies away quicker so it makes it even more difficult. Is there
any special technique I should use to be able to hear the beat rate of the 17th
so that I can check the higher octaves? Thank you very much for your help. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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