<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1543" name=GENERATOR><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Divot in wippen heel?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=john@formsmapiano.com href="mailto:john@formsmapiano.com">John M. Formsma</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:35 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Slow key mystery ....</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Did you check/replace the jack spring to see that might have been the problem? As Paul said, the wippen is another cause as well, and I’d use the lead, baby…unless by removing the action you can increase your paycheck. E.g., tightening action screws, hammer filing, in addition to checking the wippen flange friction. (Checking with the customer first, of course.)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the reason the damper aids in key return is that the damper spring pushes on the wippen spoon. The problem has to be excess friction in the key or in the action. Or, the keystick truly needs some extra weight. I’d say the former rather than the latter.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John Formsma<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>pmc033@earthlink.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:09 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">tune4u@earthlink.net</st1:PersonName>, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Slow key mystery ....</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Hi Alan:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">    Did you determine if the wippen flange was stuck?  It often causes the key not to return quickly.  Unfortunately, if this is the case, you won't be able to determine this unless you take out the action and check it.  I vote for the iffy weights.  Good luck.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">    Paul McCloud<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">    <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San Diego</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=tune4u@earthlink.net href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 05/11/2006 5:43:32 PM <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Slow key mystery ....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">First visit, new customer, Baldwin Howard spinet.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Customer complains that F2 "sticks". Sure enough, it is very slow to return. Lift sticker off the key end and the action seems lively enough. No problem with keyslip. Look at back of key and, guess what, someone else tried to fix this key: It had a jiffy lead nailed to the back.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">I removed the lead, so I could make a propper repair, for heaven's sake! I eased the key a bit and then it would return just as fast as its neighbors. Done ... or so I thought.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Tuned and was playing the piano when I noticed F2 "sticking". Further experiments revealed that it only happened when I depressed the sustain pedal. Hmmmm....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Tried holding the damper off the string with a hook (no pedal pressed) and the slow return was still evident. Hmmmmm....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">I could not, offhand, think how the damper, damper arm or spring, would affect key return like this. I was out of time, running late actually, so I had to come up with something quick.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Simple. I nailed the jiffy lead back in place. Works great.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">All I can think is that maybe the felt is worn and the spoon is snagging on it, or something. And I do want to fix it properly next time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Any ideas, oh wise and knowing List?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Alan Barnard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Salem</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">, <st1:State w:st="on">Missouri</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>