<HTML><BODY><DIV style='font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt;'><DIV> <DIV>Alan,</DIV> <DIV>I'm guessing it's a wippen flange pin, too.  Bad luck to have it happen on a spinet.  But don't make it your bad luck.  Charge appropriately for it!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It wouldn't be the spoon digging into the felt on the damper lever, because that would only happen when the damper was being pushed by the spoon--when the sustain pedal is NOT engaged.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Damper springs have a direct effect on downweight and upweight.  Push the pedal down, and feel how light the touch seems.  Add unwanted friction, and the keys could end up having sluggish response.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've taken to checking for slow returning notes on most pianos by trying them all with the pedal depressed. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dave Stahl</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: J. R. White <jrwhiteltd@msn.com><BR>To: 'Pianotech List' <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:11:02 -0700<BR>Subject: RE: Slow key mystery ....<BR><BR> <STYLE> .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { border-bottom: 2px solid #E9EAEB; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; background: #E9EAEB; padding: 3px 0px 1px 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #666666; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px Tahoma; color: #333333; } </STYLE> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_a5056cbc-e657-4faa-bd7a-e2408ed7152a><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:SmartTagType name="State" ="" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="City" ="" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="place" ="" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" ="" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="time" ="" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="date" ="" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> <STYLE> /* Font Definitions */ @#AOLMsgPart_2_a5056cbc-e657-4faa-bd7a-e2408ed7152a font-face {font-family:Tahoma; 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font-family:Arial; color:navy;} #AOLMsgPart_2_a5056cbc-e657-4faa-bd7a-e2408ed7152a span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Verdana; color:blue; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none none;} @#AOLMsgPart_2_a5056cbc-e657-4faa-bd7a-e2408ed7152a page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} #AOLMsgPart_2_a5056cbc-e657-4faa-bd7a-e2408ed7152a div.Section1 {page:Section1;} </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Action-center on the whip-flange, maybe...  These center-pin bushings will swell up, now and then.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">J R W<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('jrwhiteltd@msn.com');">jrwhiteltd@msn.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">(253) 922-2372</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Joe And Penny Goss<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:date w:st="on" ls="trans" Month="5" Day="11" Year="2006">May 11, 2006</st1:date> <st1:time w:st="on" Hour="20" Minute="12">8:12 PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Pianotech List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Slow key mystery ....</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Divot in wippen heel?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('imatunr@srvinet.com');">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com" target=_blank>www.mothergoosetools.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 3pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=john@formsmapiano.com href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('john@formsmapiano.com');">John M. Formsma</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('pianotech@ptg.org');">'Pianotech List'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday, <st1:date w:st="on" ls="trans" Month="5" Day="11" Year="2006">May 11, 2006</st1:date> <st1:time w:st="on" Hour="20" Minute="35">8:35 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> RE: Slow key mystery ....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Did you check/replace the jack spring to see that might have been the problem? As Paul said, the wippen is another cause as well, and I’d use the lead, baby…unless by removing the action you can increase your paycheck. E.g., tightening action screws, hammer filing, in addition to checking the wippen flange friction. (Checking with the customer first, of course.)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the reason the damper aids in key return is that the damper spring pushes on the wippen spoon. The problem has to be excess friction in the key or in the action. Or, the keystick truly needs some extra weight. I’d say the former rather than the latter.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John Formsma<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>pmc033@earthlink.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, <st1:date w:st="on" ls="trans" Month="5" Day="11" Year="2006">May 11, 2006</st1:date> <st1:time w:st="on" Hour="20" Minute="09">8:09 PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">tune4u@earthlink.net</st1:PersonName>, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Slow key mystery ....</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Hi Alan:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">    Did you determine if the wippen flange was stuck?  It often causes the key not to return quickly.  Unfortunately, if this is the case, you won't be able to determine this unless you take out the action and check it.  I vote for the iffy weights.  Good luck.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">    Paul McCloud<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">    <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San Diego</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=tune4u@earthlink.net href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('tune4u@earthlink.net');">Alan Barnard</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('pianotech@ptg.org');">Pianotech</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <st1:date w:st="on" ls="trans" Month="05" Day="11" Year="2006">05/11/2006</st1:date> 5:43:32 PM <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Slow key mystery ...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">First visit, new customer, Baldwin Howard spinet.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Customer complains that F2 "sticks". Sure enough, it is very slow to return. Lift sticker off the key end and the action seems lively enough. No problem with keyslip. Look at back of key and, guess what, someone else tried to fix this key: It had a jiffy lead nailed to the back.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">I removed the lead, so I could make a propper repair, for heaven's sake! I eased the key a bit and then it would return just as fast as its neighbors. Done ... or so I thought.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Tuned and was playing the piano when I noticed F2 "sticking". Further experiments revealed that it only happened when I depressed the sustain pedal. Hmmmm....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Tried holding the damper off the string with a hook (no pedal pressed) and the slow return was still evident. Hmmmmm....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">I could not, offhand, think how the damper, damper arm or spring, would affect key return like this. I was out of time, running late actually, so I had to come up with something quick.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Simple. I nailed the jiffy lead back in place. Works great.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">All I can think is that maybe the felt is worn and the spoon is snagging on it, or something. And I do want to fix it properly next time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Any ideas, oh wise and knowing List?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Alan Barnard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Salem</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">, <st1:State w:st="on">Missouri</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <SCRIPT> if ((parent != null) && (parent.ProcessCommand != null)) parent.ProcessCommand('bodyLoaded', true); </SCRIPT> </DIV></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>