<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size: 14.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Action-center on the whip-flange, maybe...  These center-pin bushings will swell up, now and then.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size: 14.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>J R W<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size: 14.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><a href="mailto:jrwhiteltd@msn.com">jrwhiteltd@msn.com</a></span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>(253) 922-2372</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joe And Penny Goss<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date Year="2006" Day="11" Month="5" ls="trans" w:st="on">May 11, 2006</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="12" Hour="20" w:st="on">8:12 PM</st1:time><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech List<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Slow key mystery ....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Divot in wippen heel?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Joe Goss RPT<br> Mother Goose Tools<br> <a href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</a><br> <a href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt; margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:john@formsmapiano.com" title="john@formsmapiano.com">John M. Formsma</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, <st1:date Year="2006" Day="11" Month="5" ls="trans" w:st="on">May 11, 2006</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="35" Hour="20" w:st="on">8:35 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: Slow key mystery ....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Did you check/replace the jack spring to see that might have been the problem? As Paul said, the wippen is another cause as well, and I’d use the lead, baby…unless by removing the action you can increase your paycheck. E.g., tightening action screws, hammer filing, in addition to checking the wippen flange friction. (Checking with the customer first, of course.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think the reason the damper aids in key return is that the damper spring pushes on the wippen spoon. The problem has to be excess friction in the key or in the action. Or, the keystick truly needs some extra weight. I’d say the former rather than the latter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John Formsma<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>pmc033@earthlink.net<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, <st1:date Year="2006" Day="11" Month="5" ls="trans" w:st="on">May 11, 2006</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="09" Hour="20" w:st="on">8:09 PM</st1:time><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">tune4u@earthlink.net</st1:PersonName>, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Slow key mystery ....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Hi Alan:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>    Did you determine if the wippen flange was stuck?  It often causes the key not to return quickly.  Unfortunately, if this is the case, you won't be able to determine this unless you take out the action and check it.  I vote for the iffy weights.  Good luck.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>    Paul McCloud<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>    <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San Diego</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net" title="tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To: </span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <st1:date Year="2006" Day="11" Month="05" ls="trans" w:st="on">05/11/2006</st1:date> 5:43:32 PM <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Slow key mystery ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>First visit, new customer, Baldwin Howard spinet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Customer complains that F2 "sticks". Sure enough, it is very slow to return. Lift sticker off the key end and the action seems lively enough. No problem with keyslip. Look at back of key and, guess what, someone else tried to fix this key: It had a jiffy lead nailed to the back.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>I removed the lead, so I could make a propper repair, for heaven's sake! I eased the key a bit and then it would return just as fast as its neighbors. Done ... or so I thought.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Tuned and was playing the piano when I noticed F2 "sticking". Further experiments revealed that it only happened when I depressed the sustain pedal. Hmmmm....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Tried holding the damper off the string with a hook (no pedal pressed) and the slow return was still evident. Hmmmmm....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>I could not, offhand, think how the damper, damper arm or spring, would affect key return like this. I was out of time, running late actually, so I had to come up with something quick.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Simple. I nailed the jiffy lead back in place. Works great.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>All I can think is that maybe the felt is worn and the spoon is snagging on it, or something. And I do want to fix it properly next time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Any ideas, oh wise and knowing List?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Alan Barnard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>Salem</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'>, <st1:State w:st="on">Missouri</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="MS Sans Serif"><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>