<html> <body> David, I guess I'll find out this weekend! :-) Avery At 11:35 AM 5/19/2006, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">If anything it should be easier to remove...less surface area/friction...all you will need is the fish-tail tool...believe me David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, California <hr> Original message From: Avery To: "Pianotech List" Received: 5/19/2006 3:23:06 AM Subject: RE: Broken Agraffe Hi Isaac, Thanks. Not panicking, though. Yet. :-)  I just wondered about any differences in removal when the remainder of the stub is down inside the plate. I'm aware of the methods you mention except for the plugs from Bob. Thanks for that information. It's an out of town store and I won't be able to go until Sunday or Monday. There's also a bunch of new grands to prep, so it'll be a worthwhile trip. Regards, Avery At 01:43 AM 5/19/2006, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> Hi,Avery! Please,don’t panic!!!!! Should be simple..If you can set the Temperament-you should be able to remove the brocken agraffe.Please,check the archives for more info. First attempt should be pulling it out with modified screwdriver grinded in shape of “V’ or “Fishtale”.It should grab it in 2 points.Remember,while tapping turn the screwdriver COUNTER-CLOCKWISE.That method works in 94,87% times. #2;Try LEFT-HAND drill bit,it drills counter-clockwise,prevents further jamming of the brocken part and ,usually,brocken part starts to come out after drill penetrates it at about 1/8” dip. In extreme cases,when hole threads are damaged.you will have to use customized plugs.Bob Marinelli at Piano-Tech has them in stock. Hope it helps….If any problemas-catch me on my cell manyana  at 818-599-9839 and I will try to help you.Best of Luck… Isaac   <hr> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [ <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora="autourl"> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Avery Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:40 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Broken Agraffe   <pre>List, </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>A dealer I do some work for just called me and said they had a broken</pre> <pre>agraffe on a Steinway </pre> <pre>M from the 1940's. I have information about the usual ways to remove a</pre> <pre>broken agraffe when </pre> <pre>it's broken flush with the plate. </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>My question is will the same method(s) work when it's broken down inside</pre> <pre>the hole? Any </pre> <pre>suggestions, cautions, etc.? In my 32 yrs. of doing this work, I've only</pre> <pre>had to replace one! </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>Thanks. </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>Avery Todd</pre> <pre>University of Houston</pre></blockquote> </blockquote></body> </html>