<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Yes, I rebushed all of them...eased the resulting sticking keys with key easing pliers, and put dry teflon on the pins.  I have an offset key spacer, but it didn't fit on the pins...it's new and it's got burrs in it that I need to sand and polish out.  Learning.<br> Amy<br> <br> David Ilvedson wrote: <blockquote cite="mid0044BF7C$0617082F3B35$001002@David" type="cite"> <title>Light fixtures</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> Amy,<br> <br> Do you have Schaff catalog?   They are in there...you could make the tool...<br> Think the problem through.  <br> How do I turn an oblong shaped pin?  ()  <br> If it was round, O, it would be harder to manipulate...<br> <br> Hopefully, you didn't rebush the keys with the front pins turned?<br>   <br> David Ilvedson, RPT<br> Pacifica, California<br> <br> <br> <br> <div style="border-left: 3px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding: 5px;"> <hr>Original message<br> From: "Amy Zilk" <AMY@ZILKNET.NET><br> To: "Pianotech List" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><br> Received: 6/22/2006 9:04:41 AM<br> Subject: Re: twisting front rail key pins<br> <br> </PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG></AMY@ZILKNET.NET> <p align="left">How do you untwist them?  I just rebushed a set of keys and some of the pins had been twisted.  I wasn't able to untwist any of them.  I didn't have any tools that didn't slip.  Do you know of any tools that work for this?  For that matter, what tool did you use to twist them?  <br> <br> Thanks in advance,<br> az<br> </p> <div class="moz-signature"><br> <img src="C:%5CDocuments%20and%20Settings%5Cazilk%5CMy%20Documents%5CPiano%20Tech%5CAZP-email-sig.gif" moz-do-not-send="true" border="0"></div> <br> <br> Porritt, David wrote: <blockquote cite="mid775EC5882A29A34DBC4F95D80DDF61FE052789D3@s31xe5.systems.smu.edu" type="cite"> <meta content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name="Generator"> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <style>  </style></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE> <div class="Section1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">You’re not missing anything.  That’s the reason the front rail pins are oblong and now round.  Replacing the bushings is a better solution but in a pinch I’ve turned quite a few!<O:P></O:P></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><O:P> </O:P></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">dp<O:P></O:P></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><O:P> </O:P></span></font></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">David M. Porritt</span></font><O:P></O:P></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</a></span></font><O:P></O:P></p> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org%20">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org </a>[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Tom Sivak<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:31 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> pianotech<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> twisting front rail key pins</span></font><O:P></O:P></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><O:P> </O:P></span></font></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">List<O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <br> I've always been told, "Don't twist the front key pins to eliminate side motion on keys that have the key bushings worn out."  And I've always accepted that.<O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Last week I was at a composer/friend's house.  He has a 1930s Kimball grand, really worn out.  I did a full regulation on the piano, and he didn't want to pay for new key bushings, so I twisted them, and the difference is wonderful.  No side play on the keys, feels like a million bucks.<O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Now I understand it would be unethical to do that to a piano and then sell it, hiding a problem, but what's wrong with improving the play of a piano by doing the same?  Sure, it may accelerate wear on the bushings, but the bushings are worn out now!  They need replacing already.  All this does is extend the deadline and make the piano play much better until D Day comes.<O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Am I missing something?  What's the down side to this?<br> <br> Tom Sivak<O:P></O:P></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Chicago</span></font></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>