<html> <body> George, IMO, it's only a temporary fix! Until the customer can save up enough money to do it correctly! Avery Todd University of Houston At 10:54 AM 6/23/2006, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> Ben, I have had the same experience  with turned front rail pins. The immediate response appears to give excellent results, the key does feel tighter,nicer to play and the keys are nicely spaced. However, my experience has been that after some time these keys started  to stick,  humidity must have  come into play here and I ended up putting the pin back basically to where it was. Maybe a new set of key bushings would have been the safest fix.   Regards George Piano Tech . NL, Can   Keep That Piano Tuned UP.........   -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora="autourl"> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ben J Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:00 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1276, Issue 119   <dl> <dd>"Is there a down side to this. Am I missing something? <dd>Tom - If you are going to turn front rail pins to take up slack in a worn key bushings I would suggest leaving the key with just a little more slack than you would normaly like to feel. I have traced the cause or more than one sticking key to a turned front rail pin, ( some of which I have turned myself). Sometimes for what ever reason the bushing tightens up on the turned pin after you leave the house of course and the key starts sticking. Just a thought- Ben E Johnston  RPT  <dd>  <dd>  <dd>  <hr> <div align="center"></div> <dd>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora="autourl"> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Tom Sivak <dd>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:31 AM <dd>To: pianotech <dd>Subject: twisting front rail key pins <dd>  <dd>List <dd>I've always been told, "Don't twist the front key pins to eliminate side motion on keys that have the key bushings worn out."  And I've always accepted that. <dd>  <dd>Last week I was at a composer/friend's house.  He has a 1930s Kimball grand, really worn out.  I did a full regulation on the piano, and he didn't want to pay for new key bushings, so I twisted them, and the difference is wonderful.  No side play on the keys, feels like a million bucks. <dd>  <dd>Now I understand it would be unethical to do that to a piano and then sell it, hiding a problem, but what's wrong with improving the play of a piano by doing the same?  Sure, it may accelerate wear on the bushings, but the bushings are worn out now!  They need replacing already.  All this does is extend the deadline and make the piano play much better until D Day comes. <dd>  <dd>Am I missing something?  What's the down side to this? <dd>Tom Sivak <dd>Chicago </dl>  <div align="center"> </div> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=33539/*http:/football.fantasysports.yahoo.com?ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Integration&ovcrn=Mail+footer&ovrfd=YAH&ovtac=AD"> Start your league today!</a> -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006</blockquote></body> </html>