<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML XMLNS:O XMLNS:ST1><HEAD><TITLE>Light fixtures</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1543" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none" text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi David,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not tried that, The nylon would not hold up under use as well and might be too flexable.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would be easier to work with.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 23, 2006 10:54 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: twisting front rail key pins</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>That's a great idea, Joe.  How about made out of something that won't mar the pin?  Would nylon work?<BR><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, California<BR><BR><BR><BR> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <IMATUNR@SRVINET.COM><BR>To: "Pianotech List" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: 6/23/2006 9:17:00 AM<BR>Subject: Re: twisting front rail key pins<BR><BR> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes there is a tool, but </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>I need orders to produce it <O((</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The tool is easily made out of !/4" square brass stock 3" long.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Two holes just larger than the narrow part of the front rail pin on each end.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One will be larger than the other for the most common sizes of pins.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After drilling the holes ream out the hole parallel to the length of the brass bar.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Use a triangle, round, half round, anything that you can get to work to</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>get the tool to slip over the size pin you are wanting to turn. You should have an ovalish hole.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To turn the pin lift the free end of the tool to bind it on the pin and turn until the tool points either straight towards you or away, depending on how you are using the tool. Careful not to bend the pin, Use the tool like you would use your tuning hammer thinking of the bending torque that you do not want.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To cut down on filing drill 3 small holes in line and then drill out the center hole larger.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com/">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=amy@zilknet.net href="mailto:amy@zilknet.net">Amy Zilk</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:04 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: twisting front rail key pins</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>How do you untwist them?  I just rebushed a set of keys and some of the pins had been twisted.  I wasn't able to untwist any of them.  I didn't have any tools that didn't slip.  Do you know of any tools that work for this?  For that matter, what tool did you use to twist them?  <BR><BR>Thanks in advance,<BR>az<BR> <DIV class=moz-signature><BR><IMG src="C:\Documents and Settings\azilk\My Documents\Piano Tech\AZP-email-sig.gif" border=0 moz-do-not-send="true"></DIV><BR><BR>Porritt, David wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid775EC5882A29A34DBC4F95D80DDF61FE052789D3@s31xe5.systems.smu.edu type="cite"> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } </STYLE> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You’re not missing anything.  That’s the reason the front rail pins are oblong and now round.  Replacing the bushings is a better solution but in a pinch I’ve turned quite a few!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">dp<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">David M. Porritt</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</A></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Tom Sivak<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:31 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> pianotech<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> twisting front rail key pins</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">List<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>I've always been told, "Don't twist the front key pins to eliminate side motion on keys that have the key bushings worn out."  And I've always accepted that.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Last week I was at a composer/friend's house.  He has a 1930s Kimball grand, really worn out.  I did a full regulation on the piano, and he didn't want to pay for new key bushings, so I twisted them, and the difference is wonderful.  No side play on the keys, feels like a million bucks.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Now I understand it would be unethical to do that to a piano and then sell it, hiding a problem, but what's wrong with improving the play of a piano by doing the same?  Sure, it may accelerate wear on the bushings, but the bushings are worn out now!  They need replacing already.  All this does is extend the deadline and make the piano play much better until D Day comes.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Am I missing something?  What's the down side to this?<BR><BR>Tom Sivak<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chicago</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>