<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2>Got me, Terry; no, not *every* time.  "All generalizations are false."  I don't chip-tune to pitch after restringing in one pass!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>TuneLab has upper limits, so you don't break strings: separate limits for wound and plain, so you can be more aggressive in the treble if you like.  I think I typically use 12% in the bass and something like 35% in the treble (the movers *still* haven't shown up yet).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I'd say the biggest one-pass raises I've done are in the area of 30-50 cents.  Doesn't mean they stay there, mind you...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>--Cy--</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>shuster</STRONG>piano.com</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 10, 2006 4:30 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tuning</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Cy wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>"pitch-raising (one pass, every time)"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Every time? Even when the piano is a full step or more flat????????</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>That would mean you're pulling treble strings in the range of 75+ cents sharp......</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Shirley you don't really mean.......  ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cy@shusterpiano.com href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com">Cy Shuster</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:51 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tuning</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>You've got to know aural tuning to get your RPT; that's why I went to North Bennet Street.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Modern ETDs with microphones that measure each individual piano are light-years away from the Strobo-Tuners of the past.  I use TuneLab for pitch-raising (one pass, every time), and then fine-tune by ear.  All the recent discussion of estimating pitch raise percents aurally shows the worth of a good ETD.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>You need to have a knowledge of aural tuning to get the best out of an ETD: setting octave styles, and so on.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>--Cy--</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>shuster</STRONG>piano.com</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>