<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=812193514-17072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Phil,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=812193514-17072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=812193514-17072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Are you saying that each pin should be pounded up from below? The problem with that is that the pinblock is very thick and the tuning pin holes do not seem to go all the way through. There are some small holes in the bottom of the block but not as many as tuning pins.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=812193514-17072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=812193514-17072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Byron</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pbmosley [mailto:mosley@classicnet.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> July 17, 2006 5:01 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> CA with coils driven to the plate<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Byron, I have several of these that i have done.   I will usually try to tune almost anything, the problem with a lot of these is that the coils were tapped right on the plate and you sure hate to pull them after they have set in pin tight for 20 years.  I take my 1/4 driver that I use to install dampp-chasers, pull the action, get a three pound hammer and turn it sideways, put the driver in the pinblock from underneath and give a good whack. The pins will drive out fairly easily, the coil is off of the plate, the CA will work, and you will feel a lot better about tuning a coil that is up.  In a half an hour you can pound out the entire piano, and it is easier to do them all than piecemill.  The process is quick with really nothing to lose and you can save some pianos that would probably just be discarded without it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Phil</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM>I have a customer with a John Brinsmead & Son 5'6"? grand, circa 1910 or so.<BR>The piano is not great but has been maintained reasonably. The customer is<BR>not a player but likes the way it looks in her house and would like it to be<BR>able to hold a tune. She, of course, wants to do this as cheaply as<BR>possible. The pinblock is shot and evidently has been so for over 20 years.<BR>Someone treated it with "Pin Tite" over 20 years ago. I've searched through<BR>the archives and have found a bit of encouraging posts about CA being<BR>somewhat effective on "Pin Tite" treated pinblocks.<BR><BR><BR><BR>However, the problem I see is that the pins have been driven in so the coil<BR>sits right on the plate. There are also those felt bushings between the coil<BR>and the plate but they are quite crusty and with a little bit of work they<BR>can be removed. The pinblock is quite thick so the tuning pin holes do not<BR>go all of the way through so it can't be treated from below. There appears<BR>to be a tiny bit of "daylight" between the coil and the plate at the front<BR>of the pin and it seems possible that I could get a smallish syringe needle<BR>in the gap to treat with CA. <BR><BR><BR><BR>My question is, has anyone ever had a similar situation where they had such<BR>a tight access to treat the pinblock? If so, how successful were you and<BR>what potential pitfalls are there?<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Byron Quam<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></EM></FONT></BODY></HTML>