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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks for the comments!</FONT></DIV>
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<P>Your finger will stop the overring but the damper won't (even when you
press on it)? You didn't mention that in your original post...</P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, this is the case</FONT></P>
<P>Never the less it does not compute...on every random note that rings, you
can stop the sound "completely?" by pressing on the string with your finger,
but you can't press on the damper itself to stop the ringing? I
think we're missing some info here. </P>
<P> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am in total agreement with you. It does not
compute.</FONT></P>
<P>Overrings in uprights are often bass dampers not doing the job...use a
piece of wood with cloth glued to it to mute the bass strings and see what
that does...mute off the high treble sections also...if no change check the
back scale for missing string braiding...</P>
<P> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will try your idea you not above</FONT></P>
<P>Get back to us...</P>
<P> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Absolutley!!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Jack</FONT></P>
<P>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, CA 94044<BR><BR><BR></P>
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Original message<BR>From: "Terry Jack" <CHIEF_RETIRED@PACINFO.COM><BR>To:
"Pianotech List" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: 7/24/2006 8:18:14
PM<BR>Subject: Re: Weird ringing - HELP!!<BR><BR>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>John I am getting sympathetic sounds
from the undampend section of the high treble. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I mentioned in my previous post, if I press
against the damper itself, nothing is happening to the offending strings,
however if I press against the strings with my finger the racket
stops.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Jack</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=john@formsmapiano.com href="mailto:john@formsmapiano.com">John M.
Formsma</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 24, 2006 7:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Weird ringing -
HELP!!</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=GramE><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sounds
like there is a bass string that is sounding sympathetically with some
higher strings.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> After you hear the
ringing, try putting your hand on several low bass strings at a time to see
if that makes it stop.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If that’s it,
you’ll have to adjust the offending damper(s).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John
Formsma<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Terry Jack<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, July 24, 2006 9:37
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Pianotech<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Weird
ringing - HELP!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have been working on a Farrano
Pian Co. 54" upright S/n23990 pre
1910.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At this point it has been tuned.
I made the mistake of tuning it 20 cents flat as the customer said she was
concerned about it being so old. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have also done numerous minor
repairs, shaped the hammers, replaced the damper felts and given it a
minor regulation.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The piano has developed a
strange "after ring" in random notes in the mid treble down into the single
bass strings. Even if I press on the new damper felt it
continues!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have checked the damper
regulation (timing seems fine, lift ok and if I press on a string the damper
follows nicely. I've done the basic string checks ie, seated
at the bridge, bridge pins, checked to see if the sound changes at
the capo bar if I gently press a brass rod agains the string
sideways etc. The plate is tight to the tuning pin block and the ribs are
tight, I can see no cracks in sound board, nothing has fallen down
between the plate and wooden parts front or back. I have removed pictures
off the walls, items off nearby tables
etc.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I even had a fellow RPT look at
this instrument and we can not find the trouble. she did make a couple of
recommendations and I have done those. they included checking the spacing of
the hammers (again) and gently reshaping the
hammers.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have one thing I am going to
try yet. I see no reason not to tune this piano to A440. I have discussed
this with the owner. After literally spending all day in her not air
conditioned house in this 100 + weather here in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Oregon</st1:place></st1:State> I gave up for
the day.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am totally stumped. sure would
appreciate some insite from you guys and
gals!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Terry
Jack</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eugene/Springfield OR chapt
PTG</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"Life is not a
journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and
well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up,
totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "WOW -- What a
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