<div>It's not the pedals, since this was happening before the lyre was even attached to the piano.   This would eliminate Joe's suggestion, too.  </div> <div> </div> <div>I saw no spring, coil or leaf anywhere back there.  I'll look again.  And I'll look to see if I can see somewhere that a spring used to be.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks, this gives me something to look for.  </div> <div> </div> <div>Tom Sivak<BR><BR><B><I>John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">At 5:46 am -0700 6/8/06, Tom Sivak wrote:<BR><BR>>Maybe is there a spring missing that I don't know about? Should <BR>>there be a spring that holds the tray in the downward position that <BR>>perhaps has come off sometime during the restringing, etc.?<BR><BR>Can't remember how M&H do it but it would be normal to have either a <BR>strong coil spring in the centre of the tray (like Steinway) or else <BR>a strong leaf spring secured to a block screwed to the key-bottom and <BR>pushing down on a leather pad at the treble end. Either way you <BR>should be able to see where something's missing.<BR><BR>Are you missing a coil spring underneath between the key-bottom and <BR>the lever the pedal rod raises? It sounds as if the weight of the <BR>pedals is pushing the lever up and you have missed the spring there.<BR><BR>JD<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>