<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll echo William’s sentiments. The only time I’ve had glue run down onto the keybed is when I tried putting on 4 oz. I’ve never had that happen using less than 2 oz in 2 passes. Use a hypo oiler. Adjust the amount you put at each pin so that it takes you 2 passes to get 2/3 of the 2 oz applied. If one section is super bad (bass, low tenor) then use the rest of the glue in that section on a third or fourth pass. If you put too much at once you’ll overflow what the hole can soak up and the excess will go somewhere else. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And this is what happens when you put much more than 2 oz on a piano. The glue will pool on top of the block or run down some seam. There is only so much the hole will take. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dean<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>William R. Monroe<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:59 AM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> dnereson@4dv.net; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: wasted CA on grand pinblock</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Bookman Old Style"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>Dave,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Bookman Old Style"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>How much CA did you use?  It's about $10 for 2 oz., (and as I wrote earlier, I'd rarely use that much for an entire block) not real expensive in my book, if it can keep an instrument tunable till a rebuild is possible (or the piano is junked for other reasons).  </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Bookman Old Style"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>Admittedly, not a pleasant experience, yours.  I've never had it happen to me, but I can see that it wouldn't be a nice introduction.  Definitely hard to know everything beforehand.  I don't know how you'd diagnose that type of separation.  And, even if you managed to get it level, if it's separated, the CA will typically run along the first seam it hits, so probably still wouldn't have gotten in the block.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Bookman Old Style"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>Oh, well.  If the same thing happened to me, it would not make me less likely to try again.  I think yours is the exception, Dave.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Bookman Old Style"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>Best,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Bookman Old Style"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>William R. Monroe</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial'>    I  CA'd a grand pinblock yesterday, and it did tighten up the pins, but I don't think all that much CA got down the tuning pin holes.  There was a gap between the bottom of the plate and the top of the block, and the top surface was downhill toward the belly rail, so a good deal of my CA ran toward the back edge of the pinblock and dripped down onto the newspapers I had on the keybed.  What a waste!  The stuff ain't cheap.  </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>    </span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>But how could I have known in advance that the top of the pinblock wasn't level?  The top of the plate surrounding the tuning pins seemed level.  If I had known, I would've jacked up the rear leg a bit.  But how far?  If the plate above the pinblock isn't precisely a uniform thickness, you can't be sure.  </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>    Now I'm reluctant to CA again if there appears to be a noticeable gap between the plate and block (I suppose there's always some), for fear the CA will just run all over the top of the pinblock and not get down the holes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>    --David Nereson, RPT<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>    <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>