<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3c.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>I have put a slide show of the deviation curves of several different Tunelab settings here:</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2><A href="http://rollingball.com/images/TwelveTunelabSettings.mht">http://rollingball.com/images/TwelveTunelabSettings.mht</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>You may need to "accept" some ActiveX controls in order to view this 24-image slide show. It works best if you click on "slide show" in the lower right.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>This takes two pianos: a Steinway D and a Kawai studio. Using Tunelab's new Auto feature, I set each of these pianos to twelve different ratio settings: for example, </FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>6:3/4:1, 6:3/4:2, 8:1/8:1 and so on.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>The slide show displays how the "deviation curve" region of Tunelab is affected by these settings. </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>The deviation curve shows, for any given partial ratio, how many cents away from "perfect" it is across the piano.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>Bass ratios are displayed from A0 up to about D4, and treble ratios are displayed from D4 up to C8.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>When you set a curve using Auto, you can then switch to a different ratio display to see how that ratio gets affected by the current setting. Because all the partials are sounding at once, all the ratios are active at once. I took screenshots of how each of the twelve settings affects several other ratios. The resulting display is most interesting. For example, I conclude that 6:3/4:1 is NOT the best setting for either the D or the studio.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>Enjoy, and ask questions...</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>Jason Kanter</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2>rollingball.com</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#008080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jkanter@rollingball.com href="mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com">Jason Kanter</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=TuneLab_Users@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:TuneLab_Users@yahoogroups.com">TuneLab_Users@yahoogroups.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:26 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TuneLab_Users] Re: Version 3</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV id=ygrp-mlmsg style="WIDTH: 655px; POSITION: relative"> <DIV id=ygrp-msg style="PADDING-RIGHT: 15px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; Z-INDEX: 1; FLOAT: left; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; WIDTH: 490px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <P> <DIV> <DIV>Group, this question of flatlining the deviation curve shows that there's a widespread misunderstanding of what we are looking at. </DIV> <DIV>The only truly flat curve you can get is 8:1/8:1. But even with that, ALL THE OTHER RATIOS ARE ALSO SOUNDING. Tunelab is displaying only one, but the piano is in fact generating 6:3, 8:4, 6:1 etc in the bass, and 4:1, 4:2, 2:1, 3:1, etc in the treble. All of them. </DIV> <DIV>Hopefully the file I am attaching will come through - otherwise go to the file section of the group on yahoo and take a look. It's the deviation curve on a Steinway D which is set by Auto to the ratio 6:3/4:1. But I have also captured what several other ratios are doing at the same time. Turns out that even the "best" 6:3/4:1 leaves the other ratios pretty noisy. </DIV> <DIV>I'll post more along these lines later.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jason Kanter<BR></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #008080 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=m_montbriand@yahoo.com href="mailto:m_montbriand@yahoo.com">m_montbriand</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=TuneLab_Users@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:TuneLab_Users@yahoogroups.com">TuneLab_Users@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:49 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [TuneLab_Users] Re: Version 3</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <P>So...<BR>Is the answer to this question the following???<BR><BR>When using the auto-adjust function (version 3), the deviation curve <BR>will not be a curve but actually a straight line from left to right <BR>(and this is perfectly normal).<BR><BR>I always understood it that you could use any notes to find your IH. <BR>Do C1,C2,C4,C5,<WBR>C6 work the best?<BR>If you can create a straight line in the deviation curve area <BR>without doing any IH readings, than what is the purpose of doing the <BR>readings in the first place?<BR>I never could get that deviation curve to look like the one in the <BR>manual anyway. No matter what I did!<BR><BR>--- In <A href="mailto:TuneLab_Users%40yahoogroups.com">TuneLab_Users@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>, Doug Knabe <dknabe@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> You could probably get a dead flat curve if you took no <BR>inharmonicity <BR>> measurements.<BR>> <BR>> Did you double check that there were valid IH values from bass to <BR>> treble? Press insert and check. C1, C2, C4, C5, C6 are recommended.<BR>> <BR>> Doug<BR>> <BR>> m_montbriand wrote:<BR>> > When adjusting the tuning curve, is it correct for the bottom <BR>line to <BR>> > come out straight? (---------) ???<BR>> ><BR>> > Thank you<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> > Yahoo! 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