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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Example of the Steinway
warranty:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> 6 year old B in a
private home.Serviced regularly (By me) here in New England with climate control
system. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Action setup was good and
visiting pianists are complimentary of the piano.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Now here's the rub. During
regular service I hear a rattle. Not hard to find as it's a loose key weight. I
pull the stack and all but a few are loose. While I'm at it I check the damper
levers and guess what ? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I'm preparing the piano for a
recital and it's after business hours so I can't contact the factory
for warranty information.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> My client(s) are good
friends of mine and have a well equipted home shop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> We set up a methodology and with
some improvisation found an appropriate punch and worked together to swedge
every lead tight (300 leads?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> The damper leads were tightened
with a modified plier tool in my kit similar to ones seen advertised in the
journal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> So a few hours later I start
tuning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Now , next business day I call
tech services at N.Y. and to my regret I'm informed the warr. is only five
years on Steinway AND the problem was humidity related and would not have
been covered anyway. When I mentioned that the piano has a climate control
system the gentleman said it was probably disabled for a while(It was
not!) and that could cause loose leads. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I mention that thousands of
pianos in my service from as far back as the late 1800's have been in New
England without climate control and have key leads</FONT> <FONT
face=Arial size=2>as tight as the day installed but did not get much response
other than the Warranty had expired anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> To my mind when someone pays
$50,000 for a piano a bit more support should come from the
manufacturer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I wouldn't have been looking to
break the bank with a bill . Perhaps the Representative 's hands were tied.(by
the way it was someone other than Kent ) I have had other
manufacturers --Yamaha for example ---extend the Warranty on a minor problem
such as this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> "I'm sorry your client is
having a problem with our piano. In the interest of good customer-technician
relations what would you charge us to fix the problem ?</FONT> <FONT
face=Arial size=2>"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> The answer would have been
$150.00.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> My clients paid me that night
with a generous gratuity but it would have nice to get some reimbursement for
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> While I'm on a roll why is every
problem presented to Steinway the first time they've heard of this and someone
else's fault (Frozen action centers as example).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> End of rant.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Tom Driscoll RPT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dporritt@mail.smu.edu href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu">Porritt,
David</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:32
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Problems with new
Steinways</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dale:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Could you send me a copy of that warranty? I
have wanted to see one for a long time but it seems these are
classified.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">David M. Porritt</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A
href="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:44
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Problems with new
Steinways</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <EM><B><I><FONT
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Hi
all</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><B><I><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
I don't get out in field much but I have seen two new Steinways recently
year. One is a new L & the other a New O. I saw the O last
week. Really quite a nice sounding piano.</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><EM><B><I><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
I've laid my hands on probably hundreds of Steinways of all vintages
& not expereinced glide bolts so loose they were wobbling &
turnable by hand. Also they were about three cranks from being in touch
with the key bed which seems to be par for the course. The damper up stop rail
is all the way down on the screws & the dampers are still over traveling a
mile. The clients biggest concern though is Bass dampers that won't shut
off. After tweaking futzing & lightly bending they were improved
only slightly. Primarily it was notes 11 thru15 but on forte blows they
were all slow to shut off, with a very nasty over ring. After further
examination I found they no longer employ the use of damper return springs.
IMO this is a mistake & a pain for any tech trying to achieve really quick
shut off. Regulation was in need but not
desperate</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><B><I><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
The L had so many false beats in the top capo sections that it was not
possible to tune cleanly. Glide bolts a mile off & keys bouncing
like a spring board. etc etc.</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><B><I><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Are you guys seeing similar things & is any one having success getting a
response from the warranty department. </SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><B><I><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
I have more to say regarding this but want to hear your feed
back.</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thanks</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Dale Erwin</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
By the way I secured a copy of the warranty & the wording is so
nebulous I can't tell it covers any thing
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