<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <title>Message</title> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> > What would you guys do besides what I did to correct the problem?<o:p></o:p> > Rick Ucci/Ucci Piano<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Here is a post from the archives that I’d recommend you try.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> <u1:PersonName u2:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Dean May</st1:PersonName></u1:PersonName>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p> <u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City></u1:City> <u1:State u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</u1:State></st1:State>  <u1:PostalCode u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</u1:PostalCode></st1:PostalCode></st1:place></u1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Dean May</st1:PersonName> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:38 AM To: 'Pianotech' Subject: RE: Mysterious unsolvable Yamaha double-striking uprights<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Check also the damper spring tension.  What may be happening is that if the damper spring is excessive it will slow down the acceleration of the whippen as the spoon contacts the lever. But the hammer will continue on. I can see where this would show up on a slow blow. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I just reset all the damper springs on a U3 with very good results. Here is what I posted last week if you missed it:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> FWIW, I played around with the tensions and ended up with the following settings. Force was measured at the damper head where dowel was glued. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Bass singles- 45g<o:p></o:p> Bass wedges- 25g<o:p></o:p> Tenor- 25g down to 15g at upper break<o:p></o:p> Upper treble- 15g<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> It was interesting that after training my touch with the gage I could pretty accurately hit my targets just by feel with the finger.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Dean May</st1:PersonName>             cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">IN</st1:State>  <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Sykes Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:04 AM To: Pianotech@Ptg. Org Subject: Mysterious unsolvable Yamaha double-striking uprights<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Greetings --<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I did a dealer prep on a brand new, fresh out-of-the-box, Yamaha MX500 P upright today. Every single note double-struck when played softly. I checked regulation and had to adjust lost motion on every key. Let-off also needed to be adjusted, but only on about 10 keys. When I finished these two adjustments the regulation may not have been perfect but it was certainly close enough. Still, every single note was double striking when played softly. (Definition of "softly": Playing the note faster then when you are checking let-off but slower than it takes to actually check.)<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> What I am witnessing is this: When I play the note, just before the jack releases from under the butt the hammer jumps off the jack prematurely and strikes the string. After striking the string the hammer then bounces back onto the jack, which is still in it's pre-release position. Continuing through the keystroke results in the hammer striking the note a second time as the jack finally releases from under the butt. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> This was something new to the store manager so I called an associate. He suggested I go through the routine I had just completed, but otherwise could offer no further suggestion. OK, so I decided to tune the thing while I pondered the matter further. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Aha! Tuning finished. Let's see what the other Yamaha uprights are doing. I checked six other, (not used), Yamaha uprights on the floor, (none of which I had prepped, but all of them allegedly prepped), and every single one of them exhibited the same double-strike behavior. For comparison I then checked some NON Yamaha uprights and they all behaved properly. I finally checked the showroom Yamaha action model, and it, too, was behaving correctly. BUT... It was then that I noticed that all the Yamahas used in this test had plastic jacks. The Yamaha action model, as well as the non-Yamaha uprights used in this test, all had wooden jacks. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> That's all the clues I have. Anybody have any idea what's going on, and what can be done to correct it?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Geoff Sykes<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Assoc. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Los Angeles</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </body> </html>