<html> <body> Nothing personal, but I really, really wish that people who use the Digest would delete all the extraneous postings before sending it to the list! Avery At 01:17 PM 2/8/2007, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Laurel, Helen was wondering when T4 slips will be ready. John <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: pianotech-request@ptg.org Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1284, Issue 64 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 04:59:21 -0700 Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to <x-tab>        </x-tab> pianotech@ptg.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <x-tab>        </x-tab> <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl"> https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <x-tab>        </x-tab> pianotech-request@ptg.org You can reach the person managing the list at <x-tab>        </x-tab> pianotech-owner@ptg.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..."</blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Today's Topics:    1. Re: Edward String Covers (Fenton Murray)    2. Re: your mail (Tuning Hammer Case) (David Ilvedson)    3. Re: Edward String Covers (David Ilvedson)    4. Re: your mail (David Ilvedson)    5. Re: your mail (Steve Fujan)    6. Re: F. Kain & Sohn piano (John Delacour)    7. Re: F. Kain & Sohn piano (Gregor _)    8. RE: Yamaha Thomaston  plant closure (Conrad Hoffsommer)    9. Re: Cuttin' Sitka for Soundboards (alan forsyth)</blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: "Fenton Murray" <fmurray@cruzio.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: Edward String Covers Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:11:47 -0800 Hey Big Piano Man, You ever run into Leonard Hanocheck over there, I used to know him 20 years ago in the San Jose area. Say Aloha to him from Fenton Murray   ----- Original Message -----   From: BRETT GLASS   To: pianotech@ptg.org   Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:27 PM   Subject: Edward String Covers         Aloha, My wife makes all of my string covers. I supply her with the templates and she makes them up. But we get $300 retail for each one including me delivering it. I know that sounds high but the value is there when you consider the cost of new strings every 10 or 12 years for your Grand piano setting in an open house by the ocean.  What would you be willing to pay for them. I'm sure she would rather stay home and make covers than work a job somewhere. Of course you would need to send a template for anything I don't have on file yet. Check my web site for a list of templates on file.  <a href="http://www.bgpianoman.com /" eudora="autourl">www.bgpianoman.com </a> We use Schaff felt and they have a fancy gold stitch with a finished boarder. The rod pockets are fixed in place no Velcro. I never did like that on covers. Every time a customer takes it off they end up messed up. On ours you can just slide the dowel rod out of the pocket if your going to clean it. For now we are not offering to add embroidery of piano name. We have a small machine big enough to stitch out a name about 7.5 inches long, but we are not sure about trade mark or copy rights. Plus I have not had a customer ask for it unless I bring it up. If anyone knows a better sourse for the felt let me know. I think Schaff costs about 16 or 17 $$ per yard.         Brett   --</blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: ilvey@sbcglobal.net, Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: your mail (Tuning Hammer Case) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:58:14 -0800 I've got a fixed knife case I ended up not using...a little big for my tool kit...I use a wool sock now... The fixed knife case is for sale...cost me $35... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 Original message From: "Steve Fujan" To: "Pianotech List" Received: 2/7/2007 9:42:25 AM Subject: Re: your mail (Tuning Hammer Case) This looks kind of interesting: <a href="http://www.maxpedition.com/product/product_case_r14.htm" eudora="autourl"> http://www.maxpedition.com/product/product_case_r14.htm</a> Steve Fujan <a href="http://www.fujanproducts.com/" eudora="autourl"> www.fujanproducts.com</a> On 2/7/07, richard.ucci@att.net <richard.ucci@att.net > wrote: Sorry folks, didn't attach the link.... <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" eudora="autourl"> http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a> -------------- Original message from richard.ucci@att.net: ------------</blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> Hey, Anybody know where I can get just the case? They won't sell it that way= ,and I don't need the hammer. Thanks, RU/UP ------=_NextPart_39120.9571162384.533 Content-Type: text/html; <x-tab>        </x-tab> charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html>   <head>     <title></title>   </head>   <body>     I've got a fixed knife case I ended up not using...a little big = for my tool kit...I use a wool sock now...     The fixed knife case is for sale...cost me $35... Dav= id Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044     <div style=3D"padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 5px; padding-bottom= : 5px; border-left: #000000 3px solid; padding-top: 5px">       <hr />Original message From: &quot;Steve Fujan&quot;       <sjfujan@gmail.com>&nbsp;</sjfujan@gmail.com> To: &quot;Pian= otech List&quot;       <pianotech@ptg.org>&nbsp;</pianotech@ptg.org> Received: 2/7/= 2007 9:42:25 AM Subject: Re: your mail (Tuning Hammer Case) <= br />This looks kind of interesting: <a onclick=3D"return top.js.O= penExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"http://www.maxpedition.com/produ= >ct/product_case_r14.htm" target=3D"_blank"><a href="http://www.maxpedition.com/p" eudora="autourl"> http://www.maxpedition.com/p</a>= roduct/product_case_r14.htm </a> Steve Fujan <a o= nclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"http://= ><a href="http://www.fujanproducts.com/" eudora="autourl"> www.fujanproducts.com/</a>" target=3D"_blank"><a href="http://www.fujanproducts.com/" eudora="autourl"> www.fujanproducts.com</a></a></sp= an>       <div>On 2/7/07, dername"><a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" hr= ef=3D"<a href="mailto:richard.ucci@att.net" eudora="autourl"> mailto:richard.ucci@att.net</a>" target=3D"_blank">richard.ucci@att.n= et </a>&lt;<a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,thi= s)" href=3D"<a href="mailto:richard.ucci@att.net" eudora="autourl"> mailto:richard.ucci@att.net</a>" target=3D"_blank">richard.ucci= @att.net </a>&gt; wrote:         <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex; m= argin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">           <div>             <div>&nbsp;</div>             Sorry folks, didn't attach the link....             <a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,thi= s)" href=3D"<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0Q" eudora="autourl"> http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0Q</a>= >QitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte= >m" target=3D"_blank"><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT" eudora="autourl"> http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT</a>-= TOOLS_W0QQitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcm= dZViewItem </a>             <blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; b= order-left: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">-------------- Original message f= rom <a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D= "<a href="mailto:richard.ucci@att.net" eudora="autourl"> mailto:richard.ucci@att.net</a>" target=3D"_blank">richard.ucci@att.net</a= >: --------------               <div>Hey,</div>               <div>Anybody know where I can get just the case? They won= 't sell it that way,and I don't need the hammer.</div>               <div>Thanks,</div>               <div>RU/UP</div>             </blockquote>           </div>         </blockquote>       </div>     </div>   </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_39120.9571162384.533-- </blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: ilvey@sbcglobal.net, Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Edward String Covers Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:07:40 -0800 When I first moved to SF in 1975, right after piano tuning school, a fellow was advertising his Hawaii piano business.   I called him and tried to buy the business, but he thought I was too green so he sold it to Leonard Hanocheck, who was in the Bay Area at the time... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 Original message From: "Fenton Murray" To: "Pianotech List" Received: 2/7/2007 11:11:47 PM Subject: Re: Edward String Covers Hey Big Piano Man, You ever run into Leonard Hanocheck over there, I used to know him 20 years ago in the San Jose area. Say Aloha to him from Fenton Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: BRETT GLASS To: pianotech@ptg.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Edward String Covers Aloha, My wife makes all of my string covers. I supply her with the templates and she makes them up. But we get $300 retail for each one including me delivering it. I know that sounds high but the value is there when you consider the cost of new strings every 10 or 12 years for your Grand piano setting in an open house by the ocean.  What would you be willing to pay for them. I'm sure she would rather stay home and make covers than work a job somewhere. Of course you would need to send a template for anything I don't have on file yet. Check my web site for a list of templates on file.  <a href="http://www.bgpianoman.com /" eudora="autourl">www.bgpianoman.com </a> We use Schaff felt and they have a fancy gold stitch with a finished boarder. The rod pockets are fixed in place no Velcro. I never did like that on covers. Every time a customer takes it off they end up messed up. On ours you can just slide the dowel rod out of the pocket if your going to clean it. For now we are not offering to add embroidery of piano name. We have a small machine big enough to stitch out a name about 7.5 inches long, but we are not sure about trade mark or copy rights. Plus I have not had a customer ask for it unless I bring it up. If anyone knows a better sourse for the felt let me know. I think Schaff costs about 16 or 17 $$ per yard. Brett </blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> ------=_NextPart_39120.9636678935.785 Content-Type: text/html; <x-tab>        </x-tab> charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html>   <head>     <title></title>     <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Di= so-8859-1" />     <style></style>   </head>   <body bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">     <div>When I first moved to SF in 1975, right after piano tuning sch= ool, a fellow was advertising his Hawaii piano business.&nbsp;&nbsp; I = called him and tried to buy the business, but he thought I was too gree= n so he sold it to Leonard Hanocheck, who was in the B= ay Area at the time... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacif= ica, CA 94044       <div style=3D"padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 5px; padding-bott= om: 5px; border-left: #000000 3px solid; padding-top: 5px">         <hr />Original message From: &quot;Fenton Murray&quot;         <fmurray@cruzio.com>&nbsp;</fmurray@cruzio.com> To: &quot;= Pianotech List&quot;         <pianotech@ptg.org>&nbsp;</pianotech@ptg.org> Received: 2/= 7/2007 11:11:47 PM Subject: Re: Edward String Covers         <div>Hey Big Piano Man,</div>         <div>You ever run into Leonard Hanocheck over = there, I used to know him 20 years ago in the San Jose area. Say Aloha = to him from Fenton Murray</div>         <blockquote style=3D"padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; mar= gin-left: 5px; border-left: #000000 2px solid; margin-right: 0px">           <div style=3D"font: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </div>           <div style=3D"background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-col= or: black">From: <a title=3D"bgpianoman@email.com" href=3D"mailt= o:bgpianoman@email.com">BRETT GLASS</a> </div>           <div style=3D"font: 10pt arial">To: <a title=3D"pianot= ech@ptg.org" href=3D"<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" eudora="autourl"> mailto:pianotech@ptg.org</a>">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </= div>           <div style=3D"font: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, Febru= ary 07, 2007 7:27 PM</div>           <div style=3D"font: 10pt arial">Subject: Edward String=  Covers</div>           <div> </div>           <table id=3D"HB_Mail_Container" height=3D"100%" cellspacing=3D= "0" cellpadding=3D"0" width=3D"100%" border=3D"0" unselectable=3D"on">             <tbody>               <tr height=3D"100%" width=3D"100%" unselectable=3D"on">                 <td id=3D"HB_Focus_Element" valign=3D"top" width=3D"100= %" background=3D"" height=3D"250" unselectable=3D"off">                   <div>Aloha, My wife makes all of my string covers. I = supply her with the templates and she makes them up. But we get $300 re= tail&nbsp;for each one including me delivering it. I know that sounds h= igh but the value is there when you consider the cost of new strings ev= ery 10 or 12 years for your Grand piano setting in an open house by the=  ocean.&nbsp; What would you be willing to pay for them. I'm sure she w= ould rather stay home and make covers than work a job somewhere. Of cou= rse you would need to send a template for anything I don't&nbsp;have on=  file yet. Check my web site for a list of templates on file.&nbsp; <a = href=3D"<a href="http://www.bgpianoman.com/" eudora="autourl"> http://www.bgpianoman.com/</a> "><a href="http://www.bgpianoman.com/" eudora="autourl"> www.bgpianoman.com</a></a>&nbsp; We use=  Schaff felt and they have a fancy gold stitch with a finished boarder.=  The rod pockets are fixed in place no Velcro. I never did like that on=  covers. Every time a customer takes it off they end up messed up. On o= urs you can just slide the dowel rod out of the pocket if your going to=  clean it. For now we are not offering to add embroidery of piano name.=  We have a small machine big enough to stitch out a name about 7.5 inch= es long, but we are not sure about trade mark or copy rights. Plus I ha= ve not had a customer ask for it unless I bring it up. If anyone knows = a better sourse for the felt let me know. I think Schaff costs about 16=  or 17 $$ per yard.</div>                   <div>&nbsp;</div>                   <div>Brett</div>                 </td>               </tr>               <tr hb_tag=3D"1" unselectable=3D"on">                 <td style=3D"font-size: 1pt" height=3D"1" unselectable=3D= "on">                   <div id=3D"hotbar_promo">&nbsp;</div>                 </td>               </tr>             </tbody>           </table> -- <a href=3D"<a href="http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adf" eudora="autourl"> http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adf</a>= >trclick?redirectid=3Den-mail_a_01" target=3D"_blank"><img alt=3D"" src=3D= "<a href="http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrview?redirectid=3Den-mail_i_01" eudora="autourl"> http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrview?redirectid=3Den-mail_i_01</a> " bor= der=3D"0" /></a>         </blockquote>       </div>     </div>   </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_39120.9636678935.785-- </blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: ilvey@sbcglobal.net, Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: your mail Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:17:06 -0800 Durability?   I've got holes in mine?   I think Isaac's lunch bags are the best idea...funny looking though...;-] David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 Original message From: "John M. Formsma" To: "Pianotech List" Received: 2/7/2007 6:17:46 AM Subject: Re: your mail Me too, me too. Also, if anyone knows how to get the "Pearl River" type bag, I need some more of those to organize my things into mini-kits. I'm using something that works (art supply bags), but I like the see-thru and durability of the PR bags. JF pianolady50@peoplepc.com wrote: That's a really cute little case.  If you do find empties anywhere, let us know.  I'd like one for the "emergency" kit I carry. Debbie <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" eudora="autourl"> http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a> </blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: "Steve Fujan" <sjfujan@gmail.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: your mail Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:39:11 -0600 Maybe....   Think I should?   -- Steve On 2/7/07, richard.ucci@att.net < richard.ucci@att.net> wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">  Looks like it might do the trick. Are you considering them for your hammers? -------------- Original message from "Steve Fujan" < sjfujan@gmail.com>: -------------- This looks kind of interesting: <a href="http://www.maxpedition.com/product/product_case_r14.htm" eudora="autourl"> http://www.maxpedition.com/product/product_case_r14.htm</a> Steve Fujan <a href="http://www.fujanproducts.com/" eudora="autourl"> www.fujanproducts.com</a> On 2/7/07, richard.ucci@att.net < richard.ucci@att.net > wrote: > >  Sorry folks, didn't attach the link.... > > <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" eudora="autourl"> http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-PIANO-TUNING-KIT-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ250080343559QQihZ015QQcategoryZ64431QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a> > > > -------------- Original message from richard.ucci@att.net: > -------------- > > Hey, > Anybody know where I can get just the case? They won't sell it that > way,and I don't need the hammer. > Thanks, > RU/UP > > </blockquote></blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: F. Kain & Sohn piano Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:33:45 +0000 At 8:03 pm -0500 7/2/07, ed440@mindspring.com wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">What kind of action does it have?  Late Viennese actions can often be much improved by sending the hammers to Abel for recovering.  It is not extremely expensive.</blockquote> Stuttgart is not in Austria!  The makers's name is KaiM, not Kain, and those I have come across have all been quite nice without being exceptional.  The piano in the picture looks as if it was made about 1895-99 and almost certainly has the Erard-Herz type action, quite likely manufactured by the Stuttgart firm of Keller, who at that time used a spiral spring for the repetition lever. JD </blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: "Gregor _" <karlkaputt@hotmail.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: F. Kain & Sohn piano Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:44:29 +0100 Kaim from Stuttgart (yes, Germany, not Austria). They invented the Cantator, but I can´t exactly remember what that was. They told us in the class about the patented Kaim-Cantator and I think it has something to do with a very special soundboard construction. But I think this invention came in the 20´s or so. Your grand seems to be too old for that cantator thing, whatever it was. Gregor <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: F. Kain & Sohn piano Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:33:45 +0000 At 8:03 pm -0500 7/2/07, ed440@mindspring.com wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">What kind of action does it have?  Late Viennese actions can often be much improved by sending the hammers to Abel for recovering.  It is not extremely expensive.</blockquote> Stuttgart is not in Austria!  The makers's name is KaiM, not Kain, and those I have come across have all been quite nice without being exceptional.  The piano in the picture looks as if it was made about 1895-99 and almost certainly has the Erard-Herz type action, quite likely manufactured by the Stuttgart firm of Keller, who at that time used a spiral spring for the repetition lever. JD </blockquote> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! <a href="http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/" eudora="autourl"> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/</a> </blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: Conrad Hoffsommer <hoffsoco@luther.edu> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: ilvey@sbcglobal.net, Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: RE: Yamaha Thomaston  plant closure Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 05:13:46 -0600 At 10:31 PM 2/7/2007 -0800, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">If that is true...will be getting them from China in the near future... I thought they sold well?   I'm a fan of the P22... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044</blockquote> Me, too, We just got 2 more last month, and as soon as they get more practice rooms built, I'll want more. Conrad <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> ---------- Original message From: "David Heidel" To: "Pianotech List" Received: 2/7/2007 9:08:34 PM Subject: Yamaha Thomaston plant closure Just heard today from a Yamaha dealer that the Thomaston plant will be closing in March, which means the end of the line for their consoles.  Sad news for a lot of employees there.  Guess Yamaha saw the writing on the wall before it was too late.  Anybody in that area (GA) have more info? David Heidel</blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">From: "alan forsyth" <alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: Cuttin' Sitka for Soundboards Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:58:20 -0000 I like your built in ear protection Terry; makes good ear muffs for the winter as well!! Don't give any ideas to Dianne Hofstetter. So this must be the wild Nauga that Barnard was talking about! My what strange ears they have. AF << Image1.jpg >> << Image2.jpg >></blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> _______________________________________________ Pianotech list info <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl"> https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a></blockquote> _________________________________________________________________ Don’t waste time standing in line—try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! <a href="http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/" eudora="autourl"> http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca</a></blockquote></body> </html>