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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David, I think you may have misunderstood some of
my post. I do <EM>not</EM> give away my expertise or de-value my services
in any way. Quite the contrary actually. The 'free' things I do for
some clients are things they may not even know about like taking up lost motion
on an upright for example, it's quick and easy and makes a big
difference. I explain it needs regulating etc, etc..they may go for it, or
not. All they know is that the piano sounds and feels much
better and I'm happy knowing that they will get more enjoyment from their
instrument from a few extra minutes of my time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A few years ago, I did a lot of cheap work for the
University as part of my training. Because of that, I now
look after all the uprights in the department<EM> for my regular
fee</EM>. No discount. That a good steady income that I can
count on. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just a couple of examples for you...I agree with
your basic principle, but my methodology differs a little.
:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry, Thanks for you're kind words....global
warming seems to have skipped right over Saskatchewan!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Norma Neufeld</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Saskatoon,SK</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=david@davidandersenpianos.com
href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com">David Andersen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 12, 2007 10:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Paid for Pitch Raises?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>comments interspersed, with all due respect and collegiality:
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Feb 12, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Norma Neufeld wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">David,
Avery,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With all due respect, I think
it's a little different for those of us who have been in the business only a
few years. <BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>You mean you
should get less respect, and do work for a client for free, just because
you've been in business 5 or 6 years instead of 20 or 25? <BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We're trying to build clientele
and gain experience. I have done many pitch raises and other work for
less money than I should have received, but in return I gain
clients,<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, but when you train
clients to underpay you and to expect things for free, they just don't respect
you in the same way they would if you valued your time as a professional in
any other field would....do you underpay or get freebies from the other
service people you deal with, including lawyers, doctors, accountants,
mechanics, based on how long they've been in business? <BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">knowledge and the opportunity to
polish my skills.<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>True. But you pay a bigger price than I think you have to.</DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I will </SPAN><EM
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">never</SPAN></EM><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> let
myself be taken advantage of <BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>Good.
I like the sound of that.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">but being demanding as a rookie,
either with dealers or clients will get you no
where. </SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>Depends on what you mean
by demanding. Strength, clarity in communicating, and confidence in
valuing yourself are pretty attractive qualities...perhaps a weasel would see
that as demanding, if it meant they'd have to pay you more money, but not a
good person.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Doing the odd thing for free is
really not so bad when you look at it in this
light,<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>I respectfully disagree.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> and not all dealers are
pond scum.....they're just people
too. <BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>Absolutely. I have many
good friends, people that I love, respect, and trust, that are piano
dealers. I'm a piano dealer.</DIV>
<DIV>Come on. I didn't say all dealers are scum; just some. And they
are.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"It's a give and take
world"......"You reap what you sow"....Clichés perhaps, but true none the
less. I just happen to be in the giving and sewing mode at the
moment, the taking and reaping will come
later.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>The trick, my dear, is to do
both at the same time.<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best
regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Norma
Neufeld</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Saskatoon,
SK</SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>hope this helps....DAVID
ANDERSEN<BR>
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</SPAN><A title=avery1@houston.rr.com
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Monday, February 12, 2007 3:06 PM</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 13px arial"><B
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"> Re:
Paid for Pitch Raises?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3>David,<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>I totally agree!<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>Avery Todd<BR><BR>At
12:12 PM 2/12/2007, you wrote:<BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">Daniel---please don't
take this personally, brother, but you've triggered off a
rant.</SPAN><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">What the HELL are you people
doing----working without getting paid? That's insane.</SPAN><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">You really need to check your approach to
life, IMO, if you submit to this kind of bullshit.</SPAN><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">Raising the pitch on a piano takes
WORK---intense work, between 20 and 40 minutes, if done right. To not
get paid for that, or to work for people who don't intend to pay you for
that, is dysfunctional. Period. What are you thinking about? Would you
ever ask any other kind of service tech to come to your house or
business and work for 20-40 minutes FOR FREE?</SPAN><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">Never. NEVER.</SPAN><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">Wake up. WAKE UP. You
need to start valuing your time, your life, and your skills.</SPAN><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">Stand up for yourself, and tell that
a**h**le who owns that store to sell you a piano for his
cost.</SPAN><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">See what he says. Wake up.</SPAN><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">Until we demand
respect and acknowledgement for our immense knowledge and skillset we'll
be treated like field hands, or dismissable underlings, or naive idiots,
or pathetic losers.</SPAN><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">There. I feel better now.</SPAN><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)">David
Andersen</SPAN><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,221)"><BR
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