<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Annie,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No reason not to bundle wires that I know of.  I do it all the time.  Yes, I'd say the number of clips varies with size of the instrument and how it is situated--where the light box is placed, the electrical cord, etc..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barbara Richmond</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=annie@allthingspiano.com href="mailto:annie@allthingspiano.com">Annie Grieshop</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=piano57@insightbb.com href="mailto:piano57@insightbb.com">Barbara Richmond</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:04 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: The Gimlet-revisited</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Hey Barbara,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>My guess is that I don't use all the clips, etc., because if I ever need to move or remove parts (as has happened, when a humidistat went bad), I won't have to mess with all those clips.  I'm a wire-bundler by nature, thereby keeping them tidy and giving them a small profile, which might be why I tend to have installation parts left over.  </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>All my installations have been on verticals or small grands, which might also account for it.  If I had to string wires/tubes over longer distances, I'd certainly use more parts to anchor them.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=468274416-15022007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=468274416-15022007></SPAN>If there's a reason not to bundle wires, I'd be happy to hear it.  Thus far, it has served well.  Sure seems as though the fill hoses are getting shorter....</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=468274416-15022007></SPAN><SPAN class=468274416-15022007></SPAN><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>The clips are handy, aren't they.  Zip ties are my faves, however -- a million and one uses!  </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=468274416-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Annie</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Barbara Richmond [mailto:piano57@insightbb.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:41 AM<BR><B>To:</B> annie@allthingspiano.com; Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: The Gimlet-revisited<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Annie,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have some spares, too and I'm grateful.  Sometimes I use all the stuff included and dip into my stash.  I do extremely neat installations...  :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, I've used those clips for securing electrical or extension cords in the shop & garage.   I've also use them in various ways, like keeping the extension cords for my outdoor Christmas lights out of the way of folks' feet.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'd take them if you are sure you don't want them, but you might want them!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barbara Richmond, RPT</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>near Peoria, Illinois</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=annie@allthingspiano.com href="mailto:annie@allthingspiano.com">Annie Grieshop</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cy@shusterpiano.com href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com">Cy Shuster</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:05 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: The Gimlet-revisited</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for the clarification, Cy.  I just wasn't sure whether you meant some special hardware kit (which, obviously, you did) or the bags o' parts that come in the box.  (After several fruitless online requests, I finally called D-C and got access to their "Techs Only" webpages, so now I can find out all sorts of good stuff.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Dave Liljedahl did a great show'n'tell on D-C installation at one of our meetings (Central Iowa Chapter).  He uses a wire stapler to tack down the light panel wire, which is brilliant. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>They sell spare parts?  Dang, I've always got spare parts left after an installation -- if anybody wants 'em, just drop me a line.  I picked up a 1/4-driver (ratchet) for $3 at a tool sale the other day, and it's actually handier in some ways than the cordless screwdriver/drill I had been using.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=109424915-15022007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109424915-15022007><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Annie</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cy Shuster [mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:41 AM<BR><B>To:</B> annie@allthingspiano.com; Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: The Gimlet-revisited<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Dampp-Chaser sells one for about $30, that includes a 1/4" nut-driver, a power tester (neon glow-plug), some spare parts, and a gimlet (at least, the one I bought a few years back did).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>--Cy--</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>