<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="IncrediMail 1.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url (#default#vml);} </STYLE> <style>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url (#default#vml) } </style></HEAD> <BODY style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 5px 10px 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bgColor=#ffffff background="" scroll=yes> <TABLE id=INCREDIMAINTABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD id=INCREDITEXTREGION style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" width="100%"> <DIV> <DIV>ETD's... </DIV> <DIV>Well, I think the argument will go on and on and on, because the bottom line is; a true artist and craftsman in the tuning field (or any field) will only ask a machine to HELP him do his work ONLY when necessary. And a true artist knows when these times are called for and when they're not.  A true artist would NOT feel the satisfying fulfillment that he should from producing something through his talent, if it is produced by someone or something else (an ETD). The discriminating factor here is wether or not a particular piano tuner is a true artist or not. Or where in the spectrum he falls. Is he more scientific about the craft, or less?  Is he  a passionate artist, or just artistically inclined?  Is he into the physics and the math part of the profession more than not? Piano tuning doesn't have to be an art or a craft to everyone.    The artists/craftsman people are all in a different spot in that artistic spectrum, and some are not there at all. We are all different people and subsequently different kinds of tuners. A tuner on one extreme of the artistic spectrum talking to a tuner on the other end will argue for ice ages about the ETD's role in piano tuning. I myself have a SAT and being very artistic (art, music, sound, etc) and very passionate about my artistry, I can certainly relate to those who don't buy into ETD's. And being an artist, I don't want to have a machine do my craft... I want to do it! BUT... I use my SAT a lot. And I tune aurally a lot. And I use both a lot. I use it to HELP me be an artist. I don't use it to do my artistry for me. Hey... If someone wants to use an  ETD to do their artistry or craft for them, that doesn't make them any less a tuner, just a different one. (although it would make them less of an artist... But still a good tuner)</DIV> <DIV>I guess I better go to bed.</DIV> <DIV>Larry Trischetta, Pocono NE Chapter </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original Message-------</I></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=receivestrings> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com">Avery</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Date:</B></I> 2/15/2007 3:18:16 PM</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: etd's and ears</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><FONT size=3>Good for you, Conrad. That's pretty much how I feel about it! <BR><BR>Avery <BR><BR>At 06:21 AM 2/15/2007, you wrote:<BR> <DIV class=cite cite="" type="cite">At 10:25 PM 2/14/2007 -0600, you wrote:<BR> <DIV class=cite cite="" type="cite">Whattaya think?????????????????????????  I wonder who made you god.........  Wow.  There is a vast difference in confidence and arrogance,  the realization that in all things human, humans will prove themselves fallible. That should, I would think, cause one to err on the side of caution...............<BR>les bartlett<BR><BR><BR>----------</DIV><BR><BR>I'm not God, but I talk to Him fairly often...<BR><BR>A dozen years ago I was VERY sceptical of the quality of tuning obtained by the use of ETDs. Then I got one. Then I learned to use it. Then I overused it. Then I abused it. Then I _really_ learned to use it.<BR><BR>When I'm doing 10 pianos in 10 hours for high school contest warmup rooms, I'm definitely on autopilot. When I'm doing concert tunings, I first use the ETD, then I check it against my ear. Any disagreements generally are resolved in favor of my ears.<BR><BR>I just now got back from tuning up a D. It only needed a few unisons touched up, but I went through my entire tuning sequence. The ETD never got out of its case.<BR><BR>Knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em, IMHO, is the art in ETD usage.  If I've got a head cold, in a noisy location or doing bulk tuning, the ETD definitely rules the day. If not, we have a dialog.<BR><BR>I tell folks that the ETD does the heavy lifting, my ears do the vernier calibration.<BR><BR>Conrad Hoffsommer<BR><BR>Early to rise: early to bed;<BR>Makes a man healthy, and socially dead.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Conrad Hoffsommer - Keyboard Technician<BR>Luther College, 700 College Dr., Decorah, Iowa 52101-1045<BR>1-(563)-387-1204 // Fax 1-(563)-387-1076<BR><BR>- Right now, I'm hoping to live until my age matches my golf score,<BR>- Until then, I'll have to be content to have my IQ match my handicap.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></TD></TR> <TR> <TD id=INCREDIFOOTER width="100%"> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width="100%"></TD> <TD id=INCREDISOUND vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD> <TD id=INCREDIANIM vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SPAN id=IncrediStamp><A href="http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=99278"><SPAN name="imgCache" border="0"><IMG alt="FREE Emoticons for your email – by IncrediMail! 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