<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3059" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> <DIV>Alan, that's a hoot! I love "rotten" strings. You're right about other lexicons. I'll be interested to hear. But don't you think maybe it's cart before horse to want a word before we know the phenomenon it's trying to denote? That might just leave us in the same stew. My notion of "real" vs "false" is simply so that we aim our words a bit better at the physical nature of the phenomenon instead of being diverted from it. The beat really is genuine. How many people have dressed capos incorrectly because it's called a V-bar? It's actually an <EM>italic U</EM> bar :-). But that's another topic.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>IF YOU WANT TO OPINE MY TRUTHINESS, STOP HAVING THE WANTS!!</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Paul</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 02/19/07 23:53:06 Central Standard Time, alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"> <DIV> <STYLE type=text/css> .aolmailheader {font-size:8pt; color:black; font-family:Arial} a.aolmailheader:link {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} a.aolmailheader:visited {color:magenta; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} a.aolmailheader:active {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} a.aolmailheader:hover {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} </STYLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't care much for the term false beats or false strings either. For want of a better word I just refer to them as rotten or wild when explaining to an owner that their untamed savage beast is afflicted with this condition. Perhaps we should ask our European counterparts what terminology they use to describe the phenomenon. (hi Andre, Stephane, Karl etc.). Sometimes other languages have words for concepts that don't exist in English. To me the concept of a string as being wild or untamed is more appropriate in describing the condition. False refers to something that is artificial which it is not and real refers to something that is genuine, but that is not the case either; it shouldn't be there in the first place, so it is an imposter.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>AF</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MY OPINION, DON'T BELIEVE THE TRUTH!!!!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:paulrevenkojones@aol.com href="mailto:paulrevenkojones@aol.com" alt="mailto:paulrevenkojones@aol.com">PAULREVENKOJONES</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" alt="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:58 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: M&A A</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, STOP HAVING OPINIONS!</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 02/19/07 15:37:29 Central Standard Time, <A title=mailto:davidskolnik@optonline.net href="mailto:davidskolnik@optonline.net" alt="mailto:davidskolnik@optonline.net">davidskolnik@optonline.net</A> writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG><BR><BR>Another thing.  While you may be correct about the real/false semantics, I'd hold off on pressing it, at least until you've found the cure.  Otherwise we could solve the whole problem right now by renaming it "vibrato".  Problem solved!</BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not really since a vibrato is a vibratory system (voice) producing a single pitch of continuous variation rather than a beat resulting from interference between pitches which leads me back to yadayadayada...:-). My original point was the possible confusion and misleading nature of the use of "false" which if we say is "real" then it leads us to an analysis of frequency interference (real beating). I don't mean to press it but to become a nag about it! We do need some clarity of language; whether this is the clearest language is still moot, but I offer it as a talking point.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>