<html><div style='background-color:'>Hey Guys, inre. clip on weights for uprights. my experience has been that the touchweight will not change if you put weights on the shank the feeling of inertia, though, will change. Adding weights or mass to upright hammers makes the piano feel a lot better. My friend Ron did this to his spinet before he knew that it wouldn't change the touchweight and he says he now has the best feeling spinet action in the country. The clip on weights that Yamaha sells are, as far as I know, the same thing as the, much less expensive, small binder clips that you buy at the office supply stores. I am not sure what Yamaha charges but the ones at the office stores are a couple of bucks for 100 of them. all the best cheers top of the mornin' to ya Michael <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: pianotech-request@ptg.org Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1285, Issue 120 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:17:27 -0700 >Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech@ptg.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request@ptg.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner@ptg.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? (Farrell) > 2. Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? (Clark Panaccione) > 3. Re: one of those days (piannaman@aol.com) > 4. Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? (David Boyce) > 5. Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? (David Boyce) > 6. "Seasoning" (Ron Nossaman) > 7. Re: one of those days (Richard Gullion) > 8. Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? (Farrell) > 9. Re: "Seasoning" (Dave Davis) > 10. SV: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? (Aras) > 11. Re: Yamaha Shank weights (J Patrick Draine) > 12. Yamaha Shank weights (RicB) > 13. Re: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? (Farrell) > 14. hammer filing (Noah Haverkamp) > 15. Re: hammer filing (piannaman@aol.com) <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:09:23 -0400 >No. "Seasoning" wood is the process of drying wood to the point >where its moisture content is in equilibrium with its environment. > >Terry Farrell > >----- Original Message ----- >>It's my understanding that "seasoning" is different than simply >>drying wood. Seasoning apparently involves cycling humidity in a >>way that strengthens the cell walls to resist future humidity >>cycles...right? >> >>--Cy-- > > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Clark Panaccione <threesixesinarow@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) >Terry wrote: > > > No. "Seasoning" wood is the process of drying wood >to > > the point where its moisture content is in > > equilibrium with its environment. > > > Cy wrote: > > > It's my understanding that "seasoning" is >different > > > than simply drying wood. Seasoning apparently > > > involves cycling humidity in a way that >strengthens > > > the cell walls to resist future humidity cycles... > > > right? > >Mid-1800s articles about Broadwood, Chickering, >Boardman & Gray, Pleyel, Steinway, Haines Brothers and >Knabe all describe seasoning logs for 1-3 years then >kiln drying boards at 90-100°F for 3-4 months in >drying rooms heated with steam or hot water. > >Clark > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Need Mail bonding? >Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. >http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: piannaman@aol.com Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: one of those days Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:26:12 -0400 >Wayne, > >Were these people destitute? Sometimes we have to consider the financial situation as well as the viability of the piano. But when I see this sort of instrument in a home where money is not an issue, I wonder... > >Would people cook on a stove that has a gas leak? > >Would people drive a car with a broken axle? > >Would people live in a house without a roof? > >So why do they try to play a piano that won't work or sound properly? > >Of course, a piano that doesn't function at a proper level isn't a health hazard, but isn't music supposed to be a thing of beauty? Then why try to play "music" on a thing where beauty is not an option. > >Good luck! Today will be better! >Dave Stahl, RPT > >Dave Stahl Piano Service >650-224-3560 >dstahlpiano@sbcglobal.net >http://dstahlpiano.net/ > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: wayne.w@musicstop.com >To: pianotech@ptg.org >Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 5:29 AM >Subject: one of those days > > >Just came from a customer with a pre 1900 Morris upright. Pianos needs tuning and few notes not working, lady of the house tells me. I open the piano and first thing I noticed is the big long crack in the open face pin block. This crack cover most of the upper pins in the tenor section. There were more short cracks thru out the block. The crack was wide enough that I could get the blade of my jack knife in about 1/4 of an inch. Piano had missing hammers etc.. >I called the lady back into the room to show her the pin block and told her the piano was not worth fixing. She understood, I thought until, she asked me if I had fix the keys that were not working. I said no I didn't because the piano was north fixing..She said that they needed to be fix as her children were taking lesson on the piano. I explained this was not a good piano for kids to take lesson as it was a tone down in pitch etc... "Well this is what we got and we don't want to spent more in cased the kids lose interest. " was her comment. "By the way you talked you don't want to work on my piano, so you should leave" I knew I was fighting a losing battle so I left. Makes you wondering. > >Wayne Walker >Piano Tuner / Technician >Musicstop Acoustic Piano Service >264 Herring Cove Road >Halifax, NS, Canada >B3P 1M1 >902-221-1540 >902-496-0041 Fax >www.musicstop.com > > > >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 2342 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Try SPAMfighter for free now! > >----------MB_8C93B6E578A22C7_4BC_8DDE_webmail-mf20.sysops.aol.com >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > ><HTML><BODY> ><div>Wayne,</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div>Were these people destitute?&nbsp; Sometimes we have to consider the financial situation as well as the viability of the piano.&nbsp; But when I see this sort of instrument in a home where money is not an issue, I wonder...</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div>Would people cook on a stove that has a gas leak?</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div>Would people drive a car with a broken axle?</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div>Would people live in a house without a roof?</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div>So why do they try to play a piano that won't work or sound properly?</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div>Of course, a piano that doesn't function at a proper level isn't a health hazard, but isn't music supposed to be a thing of beauty?&nbsp; Then why try to play "music" on a thing where beauty is not an option.</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div>Good luck!&nbsp; Today will be better!</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div style="CLEAR: both">Dave Stahl, RPT > >Dave Stahl Piano Service >650-224-3560 >dstahlpiano@sbcglobal.net >http://dstahlpiano.net/ > > > > > ></div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> >&nbsp; >-----Original Message----- >From: wayne.w@musicstop.com >To: pianotech@ptg.org >Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 5:29 AM >Subject: one of those days > > ><STYLE> >.AOLPlainTextBody { > margin: 0px; > font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; > font-size: 12px; > color: #000; > background-color: #fff; >} > >.AOLPlainTextBody pre { > font-size: 9pt; >} > >.AOLInlineAttachment { > margin: 10px; >} > >.AOLAttachmentHeader { > font: 11px arial; > border: 1px solid #7DA8D4; > background: #F9F9F9; >} > >.AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { > font: 11px arial; > background: #B5DDFA; > padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; >} > >.AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { > font: 11px arial; > color: #000000; > padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; > background: #F9F9F9; >} > >.AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { > font: 11px arial; > color: #000000; > background: #F9F9F9; >} > >.AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a { > color: #2864B4; > text-decoration: none; >} > >.AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover { > color: #2864B4; > text-decoration: underline; >} > >.AOLWebSuiteCompose .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink, >.AOLWebSuite .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink { > height: 1px; > width: 1px; > overflow: hidden; >} > >body { > background-color: white; > font-family: "Verdana"; > font-size: 10pt; > border: 0px; >} > >.AOLWebSuiteCompose p { > margin: 0px; > padding: 0px; >} > >img.managedImg { > width: 0px; > height: 0px; >} > >img.placeholder { > width: 275px; > height: 206px; > background: #F4F4F4 center center no-repeat; > border: 1px solid #DADAD6 !important; >} > ></STYLE> > > ><div id=AOLMsgPart_2_574142a1-7c52-47c9-80a7-7cb9e812797c> > ><div> > ><div>Just came from a customer with a pre 1900 Morris upright. Pianos needs tuning and few notes not working, lady of the house tells me. I open the piano and first thing I noticed is the big long crack in the open face pin block. This crack cover most of the upper pins in the tenor section. There were more short cracks thru out the block. The crack was wide enough that I could get the blade of my jack knife in about 1/4 of an inch. Piano had missing hammers etc..</div> > > ><div>I called the lady back into the room to show her the pin block and told her the piano was not worth fixing. She understood, I thought until, she asked me if I had fix the keys that were not working. I said no I didn't because the piano was north fixing..She said that they needed to be fix as her children were taking lesson on the piano. I explained this was not a good piano for kids to take lesson as it was a tone down in pitch etc... "Well this is what we got and we don't want to spent more in cased the kids lose interest. " was her comment. "By the way you talked you don't want to work on my piano, so you should leave" I knew I was fighting a losing battle so I left. Makes you wondering.</div> > > ><div>&nbsp;</div> > > ><div> > ><div align=left>Wayne Walker</div> > > ><div align=left>Piano Tuner / Technician</div> > > ><div align=left> > ><div align=left></div> >Musicstop Acoustic Piano Service</div> > > ><div align=left>264 Herring Cove Road</div> > > ><div align=left>Halifax, NS, Canada</div> > > ><div align=left>B3P 1M1</div> > > ><div align=left> > ><div align=left>902-221-1540</div> > > ><div align=left>902-496-0041 Fax</div> > > ><div align=left><A href="http://www.musicstop.com/" target=_blank>www.musicstop.com</A></div> ></div> ></div> ></div> > > ><HR> >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 2342 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Try <A href="http://www.spamfighter.com/len" target=_blank>SPAMfighter</A> for free now! > > > ><div>-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM ></div> ></div> > ><div class="AOLPromoFooter"> ><hr style="margin-top:10px;" /> >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at <a href="http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com" target="_blank">AOL.com</a>. ></div> > ></BODY></HTML> > >----------MB_8C93B6E578A22C7_4BC_8DDE_webmail-mf20.sysops.aol.com-- > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: David Boyce <David@piano.plus.com> Reply-To: David@piano.plus.com, Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:47:40 +0000 >I found a link with pics of the stakes of the timber ponds. They are older than >the trade referred to in the information on the web site. > >http://www.portglasgow4u.co.uk/townshistory/Timber_Trade.html > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: David Boyce <David@piano.plus.com> Reply-To: David@piano.plus.com, Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:40:26 +0000 >The discussion on seasoning prompts me to mention a site of historical interest near >me. > >I live on the coast of the River Clyde in the west of Scotland, which for many years >was one of the world's major ship buiding areas. (In the mid-1800s half of >Britain's ships were built there). Going by train or road to Glasgow, you can >easily see on the foreshore at the village of Langbank, many rows of wooden posts >sticking up out of the water, half buried in the sandy foreshore. These are thought >to be the remnants of ancient timber ponds, where timber was left in the water to >season. They are really old, of unknown antiquity in fact. They have been there >for hundreds of years. It would be fascinating to know just how long the ship >builders of old seasoned their timber there. > >I was looking for a website with good pictures, to post a link, but I can't find one. > >Best regards, > >David. > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: "Seasoning" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:55:55 -0600 > > > >Soaking in brine would be seasoning to taste, wouldn't it? > >As I understand it, the holding ponds at lumber mills were to float >the logs so they could be sorted and maneuvered more easily than on >land, keep them clean, and keep them from drying out and splitting >before they could be planked. After being cut up, they can be >stacked and stickered, and air/kiln dried. > >Properly done, short of damaging the wood, there is no reported >difference in dimensional stability or strength with different >drying methods. > >If anyone finds out different, let me know. > >Ron N > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "Richard Gullion" <pianoguy52@hotmail.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: one of those days Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:43:13 -0400 >Next time ask her if her daughters dancing shoes are in good shape >or ask the husband if his son plays hockey with broken sticks and >old, dull skates. A worn out crappy baseball glove. No soccer >shoes??? How could it be !!!! > > >>From: piannaman@aol.com >>Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> >>To: pianotech@ptg.org >>Subject: Re: one of those days >>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:26:12 -0400 >> >>Wayne, >> >>Were these people destitute? Sometimes we have to consider the >>financial situation as well as the viability of the piano. But >>when I see this sort of instrument in a home where money is not an >>issue, I wonder... >> >>Would people cook on a stove that has a gas leak? >> >>Would people drive a car with a broken axle? >> >>Would people live in a house without a roof? >> >>So why do they try to play a piano that won't work or sound >>properly? >> >>Of course, a piano that doesn't function at a proper level isn't a >>health hazard, but isn't music supposed to be a thing of beauty? >>Then why try to play "music" on a thing where beauty is not an >>option. >> >>Good luck! Today will be better! >>Dave Stahl, RPT >> >>Dave Stahl Piano Service >>650-224-3560 >>dstahlpiano@sbcglobal.net >>http://dstahlpiano.net/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: wayne.w@musicstop.com >>To: pianotech@ptg.org >>Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 5:29 AM >>Subject: one of those days >> >> >>Just came from a customer with a pre 1900 Morris upright. Pianos >>needs tuning and few notes not working, lady of the house tells me. >>I open the piano and first thing I noticed is the big long crack in >>the open face pin block. This crack cover most of the upper pins in >>the tenor section. There were more short cracks thru out the block. >>The crack was wide enough that I could get the blade of my jack >>knife in about 1/4 of an inch. Piano had missing hammers etc.. >>I called the lady back into the room to show her the pin block and >>told her the piano was not worth fixing. She understood, I thought >>until, she asked me if I had fix the keys that were not working. I >>said no I didn't because the piano was north fixing..She said that >>they needed to be fix as her children were taking lesson on the >>piano. I explained this was not a good piano for kids to take >>lesson as it was a tone down in pitch etc... "Well this is what we >>got and we don't want to spent more in cased the kids lose >>interest. " was her comment. "By the way you talked you don't want >>to work on my piano, so you should leave" I knew I was fighting a >>losing battle so I left. Makes you wondering. >> >>Wayne Walker >>Piano Tuner / Technician >>Musicstop Acoustic Piano Service >>264 Herring Cove Road >>Halifax, NS, Canada >>B3P 1M1 >>902-221-1540 >>902-496-0041 Fax >>www.musicstop.com >> >> >> >>I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>It has removed 2342 spam emails to date. >>Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>Try SPAMfighter for free now! >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: >>3/22/2007 7:44 AM >>________________________________________________________________________ >>AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's >>free from AOL at AOL.com. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Have Some Fun Out Of The Sun This March Break >http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!142 > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:18:03 -0400 >I have little doubt that all sorts of methodologies were employed >drying wood in that past (and I suppose presently also). Was there a >point you were trying to make with the referenced piano >manufacturers and their drying methods? > >I think one also should keep in mind that the evolution of wood >technology science had not quite hit its peak in the mid-1800s. > >Terry Farrell > >----- Original Message ----- >>>No. "Seasoning" wood is the process of drying wood >>to >>>the point where its moisture content is in >>>equilibrium with its environment. >> >>>Cy wrote: >>> > It's my understanding that "seasoning" is >>different >>> > than simply drying wood. Seasoning apparently >>> > involves cycling humidity in a way that >>strengthens >>> > the cell walls to resist future humidity cycles... >>> > right? >> >>Mid-1800s articles about Broadwood, Chickering, >>Boardman & Gray, Pleyel, Steinway, Haines Brothers and >>Knabe all describe seasoning logs for 1-3 years then >>kiln drying boards at 90-100°F for 3-4 months in >>drying rooms heated with steam or hot water. >> >>Clark > > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Dave Davis <dave@davispiano.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: "Seasoning" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) <META content="Microsoft SafeHTML" name=Generator> <STYLE> DIV {margin:0px;} </STYLE> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">In the Pacific NW, rivers and Puget Sound (saltwater) are used for transportation. The logs are bundled, built into rafts, and towed to the sawmills or export docks, by tugs. There are many pilings, similar to those shown in Scotland - but not nearly so old- in most of our waterways. Ron N's right (of course) about keeping the logs damp to avoid splitting. The big log yards inland, have huge sprinkler systems that keep the logs wet when it isn't raining (which isn't often this time of year...).</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Another "seasoning" that hasn't come up for awhile is the "freezing" method, to improve tone.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Dave Davis, RPT </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 7:55:55 AM Subject: "Seasoning" <DIV>Soaking in brine would be seasoning to taste, wouldn't it? As I understand it, the holding ponds at lumber mills were to float the logs so they could be sorted and maneuvered more easily than on land, keep them clean, and keep them from drying out and splitting before they could be planked. After being cut up, they can be stacked and stickered, and air/kiln dried. Properly done, short of damaging the wood, there is no reported difference in dimensional stability or strength with different drying methods. If anyone finds out different, let me know. Ron N</DIV></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV></DIV> <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Aras <aras6310@yahoo.se> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: David@piano.plus.com, Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: SV: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:21:37 +0100 (CET) Usually the saw mills got the timber laying in the lakes simply because it makes it much more easy to cut the wood and to prevent it from being disformed. When cut into planks they were sent to the pianomakers who stored them steadily in barn-like houses for years. Violin makers would store wood for the next generation. Cut into pieces for soundboards at least S&S would dry it down to 3% and glue on the ribs. Back in "normal" humidity the soundboard would "crown". Much later YA showed up this as a great new invention though it had been done by European an US manufacturers for decades. David Boyce <David@piano.plus.com> skrev: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">The discussion on seasoning prompts me to mention a site of historical interest near me. I live on the coast of the River Clyde in the west of Scotland, which for many years was one of the world's major ship buiding areas. (In the mid-1800s half of Britain's ships were built there). Going by train or road to Glasgow, you can easily see on the foreshore at the village of Langbank, many rows of wooden posts sticking up out of the water, half buried in the sandy foreshore. These are thought to be the remnants of ancient timber ponds, where timber was left in the water to season. They are really old, of unknown antiquity in fact. They have been there for hundreds of years. It would be fascinating to know just how long the ship builders of old seasoned their timber there. I was looking for a website with good pictures, to post a link, but I can't find one. Best regards, David. </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR SIZE=1> <TABLE> <TBODY> <TR> <TD>Stava rätt! Stava lätt! Yahoo! Mails stavkontroll tar hand om tryckfelen och mycket mer! Få den på <A href="http://se.mail.yahoo.com/">http://se.mail.yahoo.com</A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "J Patrick Draine" <jpdraine@gmail.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: Yamaha Shank weights Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:45:32 -0400 >My vague recollection is that these are weighted plastic clip-ons >that >one pops onto the shank. I remeber seeing them at some Yamaha class >some years back. Basically a proprietary version of the Stanwood >heavy >duty paper clips (sold by Pianotek or any office supply store). >David Stanwood gave an overview talk on Strike Weight Metrology at >this week's Boston Chapter meeting; when someone asked about its >usage >for upright pianos he emphasized that increasing hammer weight is >especially helpful in getting more power out of the bass section >(the >paper clips being fast & effective). >Patrick Draine > >On 3/23/07, RicB <ricb@pianostemmer.no> wrote: >>Hi folks >> >>I am getting reports that Yamaha is selling something for grand >>pianos >>called Shank Weights that are specifically for increasing touch >>weight. >>Anybody heard of these yet ? I'd be interested in seeing what they >>have >>come up with. >> >>Also... in conjunction with this, a fellow asked me if there was >>any >>point to adding weight to vertical piano shanks / hammers in order >>to >>increase touchweight. Seems to me this would have minimal effect >>and >>that there are far more effective ways of adding weight to the top >>action of a vertical for this purpose, if adding weight to the top >>action is what one wants to do. He has added key weights... and it >>doesnt yeild the results he wants.... so he's looking for >>alternatives. >> >>Input is welcome >> >>Thanks >>RicB >> >> >> > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: RicB <ricb@pianostemmer.no> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Yamaha Shank weights Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:42:20 +0100 >Thanks for the comments folks, > >What I am primarilly interested in is how much one can expect an >increase in vertical action strike weight to reflect in touchweight. > The fellow concerned was primarilly interested in increasing >touchweight, and felt he'd put in enough lead in the keys already. > >Cheers >RicB > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: Re: Facts and nots : was Recommend Rebuilder? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:51:28 -0400 <META content="Microsoft SafeHTML" name=Generator> <STYLE> </STYLE> <DIV>Can you even get a glue joint to bond when the wood MC is 3%?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What is YA?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"> </DIV>Usually the saw mills got the timber laying in the lakes simply because it makes it much more easy to cut the wood and to prevent it from being disformed. When cut into planks they were sent to the pianomakers who stored them steadily in barn-like houses for years. Violin makers would store wood for the next generation. Cut into pieces for soundboards at least S&S would dry it down to 3% and glue on the ribs. Back in "normal" humidity the soundboard would "crown". Much later YA showed up this as a great new invention though it had been done by European an US manufacturers for decades.</BLOCKQUOTE> <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Noah Haverkamp <noahhaverkamp@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: hammer filing Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:01:23 -0700 (PDT) >I was just chatting with a friend who said her tuner files >("shaves") her hammers every time he tunes. whoa! i've only been in >this for a year, but that seems very wrong to me. > > >Noah Haverkamp >Know-a Piano >http://www.knowapiano.com >347-308-0094 > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: piannaman@aol.com Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: hammer filing Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:17:11 -0400 <DIV>Noah,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It isn't all that uncommon to LIGHTLY sand the surface of the hammer regularly.  It seems to keep the grooves to a minimum, the hammer surface supple, and can keep the tone more even.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A major shaping of hammers at every appointment WOULD be extreme.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="CLEAR: both">Dave Stahl, RPT Dave Stahl Piano Service 650-224-3560 dstahlpiano@sbcglobal.net http://dstahlpiano.net/ </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>  -----Original Message----- From: noahhaverkamp@yahoo.com To: pianotech@ptg.org Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 9:01 AM Subject: hammer filing <STYLE> .AOLPlainTextBody {margin:0px;font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size:12px;color:#000;background-color:#fff;} .AOLPlainTextBody pre {font-size:9pt;} .AOLInlineAttachment {margin:10px;} .AOLAttachmentHeader {font:11px arial;border:1px solid #7DA8D4;background:#F9F9F9;} .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title {font:11px arial;background:#B5DDFA;padding:3px 3px 3px 3px;} .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel {font:11px arial;color:#000000;padding:1px 10px 1px 9px;background:#F9F9F9;} .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue {font:11px arial;color:#000000;background:#F9F9F9;} .AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a {color:#2864B4;text-decoration:none;} .AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover {color:#2864B4;text-decoration:underline;} .AOLWebSuiteCompose .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink, .AOLWebSuite .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink {height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden;} body {background-color:white;font-family:'Verdana';font-size:10pt;border:0px;} .AOLWebSuiteCompose p {margin:0px;padding:0px;} img.managedImg {width:0px;height:0px;} img.placeholder {width:275px;height:206px;background:#F4F4F4 center center no-repeat;border:1px solid #DADAD6 !important;} </STYLE> <DIV class=AOLPlainTextBody id=AOLMsgPart_0_7bc91ce4-f139-4118-81bf-09d3d9aa2be1><PRE><TT>I was just chatting with a friend who said her tuner files ("shaves") her hammers every time he tunes. whoa! i've only been in this for a year, but that seems very wrong to me. Noah Haverkamp Know-a Piano <A href="http://www.knowapiano.com/">http://www.knowapiano.com</A> 347-308-0094 </TT></PRE></DIV> <DIV class=AOLPromoFooter> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at <A href="http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com">AOL.com</A>. </DIV> >_______________________________________________ >Pianotech list info https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives </BLOCKQUOTE></div> <hr> <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2752??PS=47575" target="_top">Mortgage refinance is hot 1) Rates near 30-yr lows 2) Good credit get intro-rate 4.625%*</a> </html>