<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1256"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1586" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>I think having the box and board flat puts you at a disadvantage because you want to have air circulating around the board. I have a computer fan in mine. My box is about 5' by 8' by 1' with 10 25w Dampchasers in it that I can plug in as I choose. The rods lay flat on the bottom with lateral dowels above like an oven rack for the boards to sit on. I have a sending unit in it that tells me temp and humidity where ever I am. I plan to soon hook up a variable humidistat. Building one big enough for actions and key sets will allow it to do double duty. I built a second for that purpose. </DIV> <DIV>Fenton</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=campimichael@hotmail.com href="mailto:campimichael@hotmail.com">michael campi</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:30 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: O.T. D.T. O.T. and soundboard drying boxes</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Hey Kids, It occured to me that OT could stand for on topic, off topic, odd topic or other topic and DT could be used for different topic, dumb topic, divergent topic or delerium tremens. There is so much yet to be done . On to the subject on my hands:Ii would like to build a drying box for boards because I would like to try to make a few boards for my uprights I need to know what dimensions and what construction criteria apply. I will be suspending the box from the roof so that  the board lays flat when it is drying. Thanks in advance for the input Michael <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: pianotech-request@ptg.org Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1285, Issue 126 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 02:26:01 -0700 >Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech@ptg.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request@ptg.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner@ptg.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..." <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Brad Lehman) > 2. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Bob Hull) > 3. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Allen Wright) > 4. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (William R. Monroe) > 5. How much tuning pin in pinblock? (David Skolnik) > 6. How much tuning pin in pinblock? (Jon Page) > 7. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Patrick Poulson) > 8. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (William R. Monroe) > 9. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Allen Wright) > 10. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (PAULREVENKOJONES) > 11. How much tuning pin in pinblock? (Jon Page) > 12. String coils affect stability? (Richard Morgan) > 13. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (PAULREVENKOJONES) > 14. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (Richard Morgan) > 15. Re: String coils affect stability? (Don) > 16. Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? (John Ross) > 17. Re: steinway archive photo-Tom (Israel Stein) > 18. Re: tuning for Michael Feldman (Marshall Connolly) <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Brad Lehman <bpl@umich.edu> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:06:16 -0400 >The usual piano for their shows, in their "home" theater in Madison >WI, is odd. It's shorter than a baby grand and has an especially >thin tone -- listen closely to some of their home-turf broadcasts to >hear what I mean. I got to meet the pianist a couple of years ago, >at their show and also at the jazz set he played at a local hotel >the night before (on a more normal piano). Very nice guy. > > >Brad Lehman > > >John Formsma wrote: >>Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in Oxford, MS, and I tuned >>the piano late this afternoon for tomorrow morning's live >>broadcast. >> >>Don't want to let this opportunity pass by for your critique, since >>(gulp) what I did to that piano is to be broadcast nationally. I >>would be interested in any comments, positive or negative. I think >>I tend to tune the bass a bit flatter than some tuners, so if you >>can, listen particularly for that. See if you notice anything >>particularly off. It was tuned in equal temperament...with an >>attitude. I.e., stretched so that the shared top note makes the >>double octave and octave-fifth beat the same. E.g., F3-F5 beats the >>same as Bb3-F5. >> >>I don't know how much you can hear of just the piano since it's a >>jazz trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard, and pull no >>punches. Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4 has a >>rather nasty falseness, but everything else was normal. >> >>It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was tune it...no >>voicing or anything. >> >>Thanks, >> >>JF > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Bob Hull <hullfam5@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT) >Hi John, > >I got your phone message as I was just crossing the >border back into the US after a couple of hours in >Matamoros, Mexico. We went to Port Isabell, TX for a >couple of days at the end of this spring break week. >Caroline's brother and his wife live there. I got >back into Jackson about 3:00 p.m. Saturday. So, no >chance to listen to the show (flying all morning). I >hope it went well. > >Bob >--- John Formsma <formsma@gmail.com> wrote: > > > It's on NPR. 10:00 a.m. Central time for me. > > > > JF > > > > On 3/24/07, Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > I would enjoy listening. Who is Michael Feldman? > > What's "Whad'Ya Know"? > > > What program/station(s) is it associated with - > > i.e. where do I look for > > > it on my radio dial - I'm making the assumption > > broadcast means radio, I > > > guess it could mean television also. > > > > > > More info dude! Sounds like a pretty cool gig > > though..... > > > > > > Terry Farrell > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in > > Oxford, MS, and I tuned the > > > piano late this afternoon for tomorrow morning's > > live broadcast. > > > > > > Don't want to let this opportunity pass by for > > your critique, since (gulp) > > > what I did to that piano is to be broadcast > > nationally. I would be > > > interested in any comments, positive or negative. > > I think I tend to tune the > > > bass a bit flatter than some tuners, so if you > > can, listen particularly for > > > that. See if you notice anything particularly off. > > It was tuned in equal > > > temperament...with an attitude. I.e., stretched so > > that the shared top > > > note makes the double octave and octave-fifth beat > > the same. E.g., F3-F5 > > > beats the same as Bb3-F5. > > > > > > I don't know how much you can hear of just the > > piano since it's a jazz > > > trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard, > > and pull no punches. > > > Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4 > > has a rather nasty > > > falseness, but everything else was normal. > > > > > > It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was > > tune it...no voicing or > > > anything. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > JF > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a PS3 game guru. >Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. >http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Allen Wright <akwright@btopenworld.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:51:12 +0000 >Brad, > >I've been somewhat surprised by how out of tune that piano in the >home theatre often seems to be, when listening to that show driving >in my car in the past. I remember musing on why a show with national > syndication like that couldn't seem to bother (or afford) to keep >the piano in better shape. And how the pianist felt about it, etc. >- how it could have been such a low priority. Maybe it was just the > thinness of the tone on the thing that you mention I was reacting >to...playing on the C7 should be a great improvement compared to >that piano. > >Allen Wright >On 24 Mar 2007, at 21:06, Brad Lehman wrote: > >>The usual piano for their shows, in their "home" theater in Madison >> WI, is odd. It's shorter than a baby grand and has an especially >> thin tone -- listen closely to some of their home-turf broadcasts >> to hear what I mean. I got to meet the pianist a couple of years >> ago, at their show and also at the jazz set he played at a local >>hotel the night before (on a more normal piano). Very nice guy. >> >> >>Brad Lehman >> >> >>John Formsma wrote: >>>Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in Oxford, MS, and I >>>tuned the piano late this afternoon for tomorrow morning's live >>>broadcast. >>>Don't want to let this opportunity pass by for your critique, >>>since (gulp) what I did to that piano is to be broadcast >>>nationally. I would be interested in any comments, positive or >>>negative. I think I tend to tune the bass a bit flatter than some >>>tuners, so if you can, listen particularly for that. See if you >>>notice anything particularly off. It was tuned in equal >>>temperament...with an attitude. I.e., stretched so that the shared >>> top note makes the double octave and octave-fifth beat the same. >>> E.g., F3-F5 beats the same as Bb3-F5. >>>I don't know how much you can hear of just the piano since it's a >>>jazz trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard, and pull >>>no punches. Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4 has a >>> rather nasty falseness, but everything else was normal. >>>It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was tune it...no >>>voicing or anything. >>>Thanks, >>>JF > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "William R. Monroe" <pianotech@a440piano.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:07:26 -0600 >He, he, > >Interesting comments: > >The piano (a very small Kawai Grand - though I don't recall the >model) is supplied and maintained by the local Kawai dealer here in >Madison. It is tuned in 1/7' Meantone (unless it has changed >recently). I must confess that I don't know how often it gets >tuned. Probably not real good advertising for the local store. > >FWIW >William R. Monroe > >>Brad, >> >>I've been somewhat surprised by how out of tune that piano in the >>home theatre often seems to be, when listening to that show driving >> in my car in the past. I remember musing on why a show with >>national syndication like that couldn't seem to bother (or afford) >>to keep the piano in better shape. And how the pianist felt about >>it, etc. - how it could have been such a low priority. Maybe it >>was just the thinness of the tone on the thing that you mention I >>was reacting to...playing on the C7 should be a great improvement >>compared to that piano. >> >>Allen Wright >>On 24 Mar 2007, at 21:06, Brad Lehman wrote: >> >>>The usual piano for their shows, in their "home" theater in >>>Madison WI, is odd. It's shorter than a baby grand and has an >>>especially thin tone -- listen closely to some of their home-turf >>>broadcasts to hear what I mean. I got to meet the pianist a >>>couple of years ago, at their show and also at the jazz set he >>>played at a local hotel the night before (on a more normal >>>piano). Very nice guy. >>> >>> >>>Brad Lehman > > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: David Skolnik <davidskolnik@optonline.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:08:43 -0500 >Hello - >I'm rebuilding a Knabe, which had a 1 1'2" thick block (thicker in >bass) and plate thickness at webbing which ranges from .22" to >.35". At what seems like reasonable coil distance from plate, there >is only about 1" of pin in the block (using 2 3/8" pins). How much >of pin should ideally be in block? or is that an answerable >question? >Thanks > >David Skolnik > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:13:43 -0400 >>How much of pin should ideally be in block? > >As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging >ingredients >for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not too much. > >Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from 7/8" >to 1" >above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8" thickness of plate at tuning >pin field, >with a 2 3/8" pin, that leaves 1" and 1 1/8" into the block >respectively. > >Subtract from that the 3/16" bevel at the bottom of the pin, >leaving... >um... er... why can't we use metric? :-) ... Enough but not too >much... > >A lot depends on the block material and bore diameter/drill speed. >Regards, > >Jon Page >--============_-1037344471==_ma============ >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > ><!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><html><head><style type="text/css"></style><title>How much tuning pin in >pinblock?</title></head><body> ><div>&gt;How much of pin should >ideally be in block?</div> ><div> </div> ><div>As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging >ingredients</div> ><div>for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not too >much.</div> ><div> </div> ><div>Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from >7/8&quot; to 1&quot;</div> ><div>above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8&quot; thickness of plate at >tuning pin field,</div> ><div>with a 2 3/8&quot; pin, that leaves 1&quot; and 1 1/8&quot; into >the block respectively.</div> ><div> </div> ><div>Subtract from that the 3/16&quot; bevel at the bottom of the pin, >leaving...</div> ><div>um... er... why can't we use metric?&nbsp; :-) ...&nbsp;&nbsp; >Enough but not too much...</div> ><div> </div> ><div>A lot depends on the block material and bore diameter/drill >speed.</div> ><x-sigsep><pre>-- ></pre></x-sigsep> ><div> >Regards, > >Jon Page</div> ></body> ></html> >--============_-1037344471==_ma============-- > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "Patrick Poulson" <pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:56:54 -0700 >May I ask why the Meantone temperment? Is that a request of pianist? >Patrick C. Poulson >Registered Piano Technician >Piano Technicians Guild > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "William R. Monroe" <pianotech@a440piano.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:44:17 -0600 >The dealer likes it. No other reason I know of. > >William R. Monroe > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Poulson" ><pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net> >To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:56 PM >Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman > > >>May I ask why the Meantone temperment? Is that a request of >>pianist? >>Patrick C. Poulson >>Registered Piano Technician >>Piano Technicians Guild >> >> > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Allen Wright <akwright@btopenworld.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 02:11:32 +0100 >Wow, the mind boggles. That's so interesting; the dealer imposes >meantone temperament (on a jazz trio, no less - with all the >chromatic haarmonic stuff going on) and nobody thinks that's odd, or > questions it?! I wonder how the pianist feels? (Who knows, maybe >he's an adventurous sort of jazzer, and thinks it's bizarre and >interesting - he does sound like an easygoing sort, when Feldman >engages him in conversation). I'll definitely have to listen to that > show again : ) > >Now I'm really wondering whether it was the tuning or the >temperament that I heard as being "off" somehow. > >Cheers, > >Allen >On 25 Mar 2007, at 02:44, William R. Monroe wrote: > >>The dealer likes it. No other reason I know of. >> >>William R. Monroe >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Poulson" >><pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net> >>To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> >>Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:56 PM >>Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman >> >> >>>May I ask why the Meantone temperment? Is that a request of >>>pianist? >>>Patrick C. Poulson >>>Registered Piano Technician >>>Piano Technicians Guild >>> >> > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: PAULREVENKOJONES <paulrevenkojones@aol.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:25:10 -0500 >How much tuning pin in pinblock?Jon: > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always aimed for a tuning pin/block relationship that, irrespective of the actual measures, ends up with the same dimension between the coil/plate as there is at the bottom of the pinhole in the block. In other words, if the coil height is, for example, 3/16", then there should be approximately 3/16" available between the bottom of the pin and the bottom of the pin hole/bottom of the pin block. The other dimensions then sort themselves out if one chooses the right pin size and block thickness. Does that make sense? It almost always works out to approximately what you calculated: between 1" and 1 1/8" of pin in the hole. > >Paul > >"If you want to know the truth, stop having opinions" (Chinese fortune cookie) > > >In a message dated 03/24/07 18:18:04 Central Daylight Time, jonpage@comcast.net writes: > >How much of pin should ideally be in block? > > >As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging ingredients >for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not too much. > > >Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from 7/8" to 1" >above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8" thickness of plate at tuning pin field, >with a 2 3/8" pin, that leaves 1" and 1 1/8" into the block respectively. > > >Subtract from that the 3/16" bevel at the bottom of the pin, leaving... >um... er... why can't we use metric? :-) ... Enough but not too much... > > >A lot depends on the block material and bore diameter/drill speed. > >Regards, > >Jon Page > >--a2bb5dda-732b-4e9b-8dbe-f7aae6aa2be4 >Content-Type: TEXT/html; charset=utf-8 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > ><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>How much tuning pin in pinblock?</TITLE> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3059" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> ><BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: x-small; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGRO= >UND-COLOR: transparent"> ><DIV>Jon:</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always aimed for a tuning pin/block r= >elationship that, irrespective of the actual measures, ends up with the same= >&nbsp;dimension between the coil/plate&nbsp;as there is at the bottom of the= > pinhole in the block. In other words, if the coil height is, for example,&n= >bsp;3/16", then there should be approximately 3/16" available between the bo= >ttom of the pin and the bottom of the&nbsp;pin hole/bottom of the pin block.= > The other dimensions then sort themselves out if one chooses the right pin=20= >size and block thickness. Does that make sense? It almost always works out t= >o approximately what you calculated: between 1" and 1 1/8" of pin in the hol= >e. </DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>Paul</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV> ><DIV>"If you want to know the truth, stop having opinions" (Chinese=20= >fortune cookie)</DIV></DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>In a message dated 03/24/07 18:18:04 Central Daylight Time, jonpage@com= >cast.net writes:</DIV> ><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20= >2px solid"> ><DIV> ><STYLE type=3Dtext/css> >.aolmailheader {font-size:8pt; color:black; font-family:Arial} >a.aolmailheader:link {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:= >normal} >a.aolmailheader:visited {color:magenta; text-decoration:underline; font-weig= >ht:normal} >a.aolmailheader:active {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:= >normal} >a.aolmailheader:hover {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:= >normal} ></STYLE> > ><STYLE type=3Dtext/css></STYLE> > ><DIV>&gt;How much of pin should ideally b= >e in block?</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>As my grandmother used to say to my relatives when divulging ingredient= >s</DIV> ><DIV>for recipes for her fantastic pies: Enough but not too much.</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>Generally speaking, The top of the pin usually is anywhere from 7/8" to= > 1"</DIV> ><DIV>above the plate. Allowing for a 3/8" thickness of plate at tuning pin f= >ield,</DIV> ><DIV>with a 2 3/8" pin, that leaves 1" and 1 1/8" into the block respectivel= >y.</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>Subtract from that the 3/16" bevel at the bottom of the pin, leaving...= ></DIV> ><DIV>um... er... why can't we use metric?&nbsp; :-) ...&nbsp;&nbsp; Enough b= >ut not too much...</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>A lot depends on the block material and bore diameter/drill speed.</DIV= > ><X-SIGSEP><PRE>--=20 ></PRE></X-SIGSEP> ><DIV> Regards, Jon Page</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML> > >--a2bb5dda-732b-4e9b-8dbe-f7aae6aa2be4-- > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:38:59 -0400 >Paul, >Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program >does not have line demarcation. > >There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen. > >Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as >normal. > >No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'. >Regards, > >Jon Page > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Richard Morgan <rsanbornmorgan@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: String coils affect stability? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT) <META content="Microsoft SafeHTML" name=Generator> <STYLE>DIV { MARGIN: 0px } </STYLE> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif"> <DIV>I have a Steinway M in my care that has been restrung/rebuilt.  The coils on the tuning pins are not drawn up tight, as I would expect.  Can this have an effect on stability?  Does it affect anything else?  Would there be any advantage (several years after the restringing--don't know how many) to backing off the tension, and retighten while lifting the coils?  Or would it be best to leave everything alone and just tune it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Richard Morgan</DIV></DIV> <HR SIZE=1> <A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com">Bored stiff?</A> Loosen up... <A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com">Download and play hundreds of games for free</A> on Yahoo! Games. <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: PAULREVENKOJONES <paulrevenkojones@aol.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:22:23 -0500 >Jon: > >Only you and few other are having problems with my posts (at least from a format perspective). I frankly don't have the kind of controls you suggest. This is AOL, so there you have it. > >P > >"If you want to know the truth, stop having opinions" (Chinese fortune cookie) > > >In a message dated 03/24/07 20:38:00 Central Daylight Time, jonpage@comcast.net writes: >Paul, >Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program >does not have line demarcation. > >There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen. > >Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as normal. > >No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'. >Regards, > >Jon Page > >--1cf38670-cc21-4716-912d-afb6cd463a19 >Content-Type: TEXT/html; charset=utf-8 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > ><HTML><HEAD> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3059" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> ><BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: x-small; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGRO= >UND-COLOR: transparent"> ><DIV>Jon: </DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>Only you and few other are having problems with my posts (at least from= > a format perspective). I frankly don't have the kind of controls you sugges= >t. This is AOL, so there you have it.</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>P&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV> ><DIV>"If you want to know the truth, stop having opinions" (Chinese=20= >fortune cookie)</DIV></DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV>In a message dated 03/24/07 20:38:00 Central Daylight Time, jonpage@com= >cast.net writes:</DIV> ><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20= >2px solid"> ><DIV> ><STYLE type=3Dtext/css> >.aolmailheader {font-size:8pt; color:black; font-family:Arial} >a.aolmailheader:link {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:= >normal} >a.aolmailheader:visited {color:magenta; text-decoration:underline; font-weig= >ht:normal} >a.aolmailheader:active {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:= >normal} >a.aolmailheader:hover {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:= >normal} ></STYLE> >Paul, Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program= > does not have line demarcation. There are many posts to this li= >st whose lines run beyond my screen. Perhaps f you limited the width= > of your output, it would show up as normal. No offense intended but= > please correct your 'page size'. -- Regards, Jon Page <= >BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML> > >--1cf38670-cc21-4716-912d-afb6cd463a19-- > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Richard Morgan <rsanbornmorgan@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:28:41 -0700 (PDT) >Jon, > >Paul's message showed up fine in my window, and none show up from this list as you described. The fault is on your end, I think. I also need to resolve this issue; many messages I see on the exam prep list show up as you describe, and I haven't figured out what to do yet. When I do, I'll let you know. > >Richard > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net> >To: pianotech@ptg.org >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:38:59 PM >Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock? > > >Paul, >Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program >does not have line demarcation. > >There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen. > >Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as normal. > >No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'. >Regards, > >Jon Page > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Need Mail bonding? >Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. >http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 >--0-1825471207-1174789721=:42060 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii > ><html><head><style type="text/css"></style></head><body><div style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif">Jon,</DIV> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif">&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif">Paul's message showed up fine in my window, and none show up from this list as you described.&nbsp; The fault is on your end, I think.&nbsp; I also need to resolve this issue;&nbsp; many messages I see on the exam prep list show up as you describe, and I haven't figured out what to do yet.&nbsp; When I do, I'll let you know.</DIV> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif">&nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif">Richard </DIV> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ---- From: Jon Page &lt;jonpage@comcast.net&gt; To: pianotech@ptg.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:38:59 PM Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock? ><DIV>Paul, Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program does not have line demarcation. There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen. Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as normal. No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'. -- Regards, Jon Page</DIV></DIV> ><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif"> </DIV></div> > ><hr size=1>Expecting? Get great news right away with <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html">email Auto-Check.</a> Try the <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html">Yahoo! Mail Beta.</a></body></html> >--0-1825471207-1174789721=:42060-- > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Don <pianotuna@accesscomm.ca> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: String coils affect stability? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:36:59 >Hi Richard, > >I'd definitely use a coil lifter to snug them up. It does affect stability. >I don't bother lowering pitch because I have a lovely tool with a captive >hammer that allows me to lift coils (and tap them down). Some times pitch >will drop a semitone or more. > >At 07:11 PM 3/24/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > Or would it be best to leave everything alone and just tune it? > >Richard Morgan >Regards, >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. >Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat > >mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/ > >3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7 >306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: John Ross <jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: How much tuning pin in pinblock? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:40:52 -0300 >Jon, >The mails come up fine for me? >I use outlook express. >There used to be a setting, that would loop lines, at something you >set. I set mine at 72. >I can't find out, how I did it. >John M. Ross >Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada >jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Page" <jonpage@comcast.net> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:38 PM >Subject: How much tuning pin in pinblock? > > >>Paul, >>Sorry, it got too tiring to read your post since your mail program >>does not have line demarcation. >> >>There are many posts to this list whose lines run beyond my screen. >> >>Perhaps f you limited the width of your output, it would show up as >>normal. >> >>No offense intended but please correct your 'page size'. >>-- >> >>Regards, >> >>Jon Page >> > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: Israel Stein <custos3@comcast.net> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: steinway archive photo-Tom Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:16:43 -0700 >At 12:00 PM 3/24/2007,<jimfrazee@msn.com> wrote: >>Subject: Re: steinway archive photo-Tom >>Message: 6 >> >>Tom, >> >>That's the same way they do it today. It's left out there for a >>year or more, then taken to inside storage and finally into the >>kiln drying process. > >Actually, back then Steinway used to leave the wood out in the yard >for several years - up to five. After they sold off their second >plant and reduced their real estate holdings, they no longer had the >space to do this - so they reduced the outdoor drying/seasoning to a >year or so and started depending a lot more on kiln-drying. That >explanation I got during a factory tour some years ago (when Bill >Garlick was there). > >Israel Stein > > > <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: "Marshall Connolly" <falcone1132@tmlp.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: Re: tuning for Michael Feldman Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:25:54 -0500 <META content="Microsoft SafeHTML" name=Generator> <STYLE> </STYLE> <DIV>JF:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As long as you did your best work, than stop worrying.  Even if you're new as a tuner, remember that I, too (after 25 years) do only MY BEST WORK.  Sometimes, you deal with difficult instruments.  Your BEST work shall always be commendable.  It is the foundation of what piano technology means.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers!</DIV> <DIV>Marshall Connolly</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=formsma@gmail.com href="mailto:formsma@gmail.com">John Formsma</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:02 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: tuning for Michael Feldman</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Michael Feldman's "Whad'Ya Know" show is in Oxford, MS, and I tuned the piano late this afternoon for tomorrow morning's live broadcast. Don't want to let this opportunity pass by for your critique, since (gulp) what I did to that piano is to be broadcast nationally. I would be interested in any comments, positive or negative. I think I tend to tune the bass a bit flatter than some tuners, so if you can, listen particularly for that. See if you notice anything particularly off. It was tuned in equal temperament...with an attitude. I.e., stretched so that the shared top note makes the double octave and octave-fifth beat the same. E.g., F3-F5 beats the same as Bb3-F5. I don't know how much you can hear of just the piano since it's a jazz trio. But if you're tuning in anyway, listen hard, and pull no punches. Hopefully it will react favorably overnight. C#4 has a rather nasty falseness, but everything else was normal. It's a Yamaha C7, about 4 years old. All I did was tune it...no voicing or anything. Thanks, JF </BLOCKQUOTE> >_______________________________________________ >Pianotech list info https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <HR> <A href="http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2737??PS=47575" target=_top>i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now.</A> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>