<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> No, no, no. Don’t unstring. Just apply to the base of the pins like you would the old fashioned pin dope. I like to use a hypo oiler and apply it in 2-3 passes. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> No reason to let it sit longer than needed. If it holds tension you’re good. The friction may continue to improve, but that won’t make it more tunable. If it holds, it holds. Don’t need more friction than that to tune. I’ve tuned them, come back in a week and found the pins tighter. But it wouldn’t have made for a better tuning to wait that week. I had plenty of friction after 20-30 minutes.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Several on the list like to use lots of CA, like 4-8 oz. Some, like myself, use 2 oz or less and have excellent results. There’s only so much that is going to go down the tuning pin hole. The rest is going to puddle on top of the pin block or run off somewhere else (like onto the carpet). <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> <u1:PersonName u2:st="on">Dean May</u1:PersonName>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p> <u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City></u1:City> <u1:State u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</u1:State></st1:State>  <u1:PostalCode u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</u1:PostalCode></st1:PostalCode></st1:place></u1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Annie Grieshop Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:13 AM To: Pianotech List Subject: RE: CA glue and pinblock cracks<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> And you don't unstring it first, Dean?  Would it be even better to let it sit for a day or two before the initial post-CA tuning?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Oooh, I can't wait to try this (and given my customer base, it won't be long before I'll be presented with an opportunity <g>)!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Annie Grieshop<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Dean May Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:08 PM To: 'Pianotech List' Subject: RE: CA glue and pinblock cracks<o:p></o:p> It will work I can almost guarantee it. You really don’t have anything to lose except a little time. If it doesn’t work, don’t charge the customer. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Tip the piano on its back, use 2 oz for the whole block, give a little extra to the problem areas. Let it sit for 30 minutes. Lightly mist accelerator over the pin field to cause any residual pools of CA to set up before uprighting  piano. Set piano upright and tune. Maximum holding power may not develop for a day or two. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> If you still have a problem pin or two, remove pin, squirt CA directly into hole, reinsert pin. I’ve never not had this work (double negative used for emphasis).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I charge $245 and warranty it for 8 years. If you can’t get the pins to hold for 8 years doing this, refund their money (something I’ve never had to do yet).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> <U1:PERSONNAME u2:st="on">Dean May</U1:PERSONNAME>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p> <U1:PLACE u2:st="on"><U1:CITY u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City></U1:CITY> <U1:STATE u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</U1:STATE></st1:State>  <U1:POSTALCODE u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</U1:POSTALCODE></st1:PostalCode></st1:place></U1:PLACE><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Smith Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:29 PM To: 'Pianotech List' Subject: CA glue and pinblock cracks<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Hi all.  Customer has a 109 year old Kimball upright.  (Why do I keep working on these things??)  I’m pretty sure it has a crack along the bottom row of tuning pins and am wondering if a CA treatment would fill in the crack (and pinholes) enough to hold the pitch.  The customer understands that a restringing/new pinblock is what’s really needed (or a bonfire).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks for your help!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Michelle Smith<o:p></o:p> Smith Piano Service<o:p></o:p> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Bastrop</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p> (512) 466-0238<o:p></o:p> michelle@smithpianoservice.com<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>